AFI Turbo has a pretty awesome, high quality turbo manifold:

http://www.afiturbo.com/store/product_info...3b5823fe66355b1

 

The title of this subforum is "racing and competition."

HPDE is neither racing nor competition.

Sometimes the R&C feels a little unfriendly towards noobs, but it's really not like that. We just try to keep the subforum ON TARGET.

People who talk about FI and tracking fall into two camps, IMHO.
1. People who are very good drivers and compete in race classes where you need high hp (users: krazik, blackey... SC'd) or who are good drivers and like pushing the envelope of skill in their own car for lap times, etc (user: Momentum... turbo'd).

2. People who like their car the way they like it and enjoy driving on the track for fun. Passing some people and not getting passed by other people may be part motivation for some of their build.

I fall into the latter category for track. It's too dangerous for me to want to push things 9+/10ths on a track. I'll save that for karting and autocross.

However, some of your noobness shone through in the initial post, hence the skepticism from the group.

You are new to "grip" racing. And that's okay. But you don't want to be the jerkwad who blazes down the straights, just to get hung up in all the corners... blocking the faster drivers in back of your faster car. It happens all the time with Viper and Porsche drivers who think their fast car makes a fast driver. That's poor form.

If you're new to "grip racing," give it a try before spending more money. Because I'll tell you, I think it's a lot cheaper to buy a Corvette than modify an S2000 to be less "underpowered" for track. Most of the people who modify for track do it as a labor of love rather than as a wise financial move.

So, a long winded way of saying: If you fall into group #2, then it doesn't matter if you go SC or Turbo. Build the car you want to drive and go from there.

The same pros and cons of SC vs. Turbo in general apply. Hence what ace123 suggested re: the FI subforum rather than R&C.

 

^ nice /thread

 

I think there is a lot of grey area that's being discussed here. Althought one clear point that I didn't realize and think is interested is R&C is just that R&C, not HPDE. That for me makes a huge difference, and I can appreciate why folks do keep posts on topic or get upset when topics stray.

With that said, I think it does leave some folks without a place to post. If your interested in tracking your car (HPDE) turbo or not and just have questions regarding that where should you post? Or what if you are turbo'd and want to know the best cooling, or handling configurations to use on a track but aren't planning on wheel to wheel or time trials?

I would find myself closer to the described #2 driver, and actually would apprecaite a great driver passing me on a set of turns as it just gives me that much more motivation to perfect my lines and control.

There was a tire discussion in the FI section a couple weeks ago and everyone was talking about drag radials. I asked them, don't you care about turns or do you ever drive on a road course. The answer was unanonymously NO....most of the guys only cared about straight line pulls and fastes 1/4mile times. Personally I didn't buy and turbo an S for that reason. I was planning on getting a 996 or elise before my s2k. I went with the s2k as it offered me the best platform to get the most hp and best handling at the best price.

I guess you can put me in that GT2 wanna be racer class. But I'm just doing this for my own fun. If and when I do plan on racing seriously I will probably pick up a stock s2k and race prep it or a miata. But for now, I just want a beast of a car that I can take out and have fun on the track with. So with all that said, it would be very nice if i could come to this thread to find out what the best settings are for my new coilovers, or what the guys in unlimited class are doing to manage cooling with their FI.

OK sorry for the long winded post...can we all be friends

 

I had a bunch of different responses to your post, but will keep it more succinct.

There are unlimited ways to build the car depending on driving style, intended use and budget.

Any time anyone uses: "Best" without qualifying the above it's a red flag.

"Best handling mod for your FI car? Motons and a range of springs between 800 and 1200 depending on your tires.

"Best tires for your FI car?" Hoosier R6s (BFG-R1s or the Goodyears that krazik runs) in a size between 275 and 315. Either 17 or 18.

Ah, but then you say, "I don't want to spend $6000 on shocks, $2500 on wheels and $1400 on tires that will last only one weekend."

Then we go down the slope of compromise.
And if you're not running competitively, it doesn't really matter.

Just get appropriate cooling for your turbo and work from there as the budget allows.

 

 

I when I think of how much money I've spent modifying our AP1.

But hey, I like S2000s.

 

For what it's worth, I've been moderating the forum as if it's called "Racing, Competition, and Track Events", and wrote the posting guidelines that way too. The types of questions asked by serious trackers are pretty similar to those asked by racers anyway, and the line between the two categories has blurred now that time attack is so popular.

I don't know if people care, but I'll start another thread to see what people think about changing the name.

 

wow very cool ok thanks!