ha ha ha...

for someone who likes to talk down to people - for whatever reason - you're not the sharpest nail in the toolbox are ya?

....he never said "in a straight line drag race" in the post i quoted you from - i was speaking to what YOU said.

btw, how's YOUR god-given sense doing these days?

nevertheless, since you offered, you better start explaining every post.....

regards.

 

new trans am ws6's look mean as hell, and if you like speed, the torque you get from an ls1 is like no other.... vettes are the mainstay of american muscle and refinement, right there with the viper...... dont try and even tell me that a Z06 is going to get less attention than an s2000, yes the s2000 looks nice, and is a cool roadster, but a z06 is just godly man..... but for me, i stick to my japanese Forced induction, BOOST IS way too addictive for me to get an NA car again, i mean diriving na ls1 or a very powerful v8 or bmw m car is great, but the day i drove my TT , i couldnt go back !! thanks guy, and enjoy all cars.

 

Corvettes can't do well in autocross?? Come up to cinci, there is a guy with a modified (not sure, it's lowered and loud) C5 and he absolutely smokes the course and most of the competition. Autocross is 95% driver, and in the right hands a c5 is a monster anywhere. The only thing that the s2k has over the c5 is agility and composure while making quick changes. But its torque is no match against a well driven C5 coming off corners. A s2k has to downshift to first (which sucks) in tight corner situations, a c5 doesn't.

 

What do you mean finally?? I've been here for months..

Actually, there are a bunch of domestic guys around here that are unbiased...

It's funny because most import guys think that just because someone owns a domestic car they automatically hate imports... The fact is, that most of us have had import cars in the past... It's almost like reverse hipocracy...

 

I would like to race that particular driver in that torch red c5 that has challenged just about everyone on this board to come to texas and race him. At the last autox event here in Lex I beat a 01 c5 by almost 2 seconds. Granted I beat the driver not the car but so what? That fella in texas has popped off numerous times about his skills and I would enjoy competing with him. The corvette is an icon, is fast, is a great bargain, is superior relative to performance, but it is COMMON. The vast majority of regular folks do not have the slightest clue as to the difference between a z06 and a c5 therefore they pay them no mind unless of course they have big yellow flames painted on them.

 

Hmm, I have a problem with this statement. WS6 does NOT do everything faster than an S2000. In fact, it does one and ONLY ONE thing faster: accelerate. For the directionally challenged (read: drag racing) crowd that may as well be everything, but for track junkies (of which I am quickly becoming one), that is only one (and least significant IMHO) factor in racing.

The important factors, in decreasing order of significance (and IMHO), are:

1. Braking
2. Cornering grip
3. Transition speed
4. Acceleration

That's why spec-Miata with Hoosiers and all of the glorious 120HP and an experienced driver will kick the crap out of a stock WS6 driven by Michael Schumacher, on, say, Willow Springs.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cravnpup
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What do you mean finally??

 

That's because most enthusiats buy performance cars, not Pony cars... And most enthusiasts know that there is more to life than going strait... Sometimes I really regret buying the car I did, but hey, we don't always make the right choices.... Oh well, at least it's a convertible...

 

On a road course with alot of turns but modest straightaways,the ws6 will walk away. It has some pretty ugly understeer in the turns but when the track straightens out,it's all over. WS6's frequently turn in better track times than well driven S2K's. That said,if I was autocrossing or something of that nature,I'd definetly take the honda.

 

I'm sorry, but that is a very common misconception.

It's all in exit speeds, not straightaway pulling power.

Let's take a look at an actual example: TWS has a long straightaway which is about a 1/4 mile long, so we can safely assume about 6mph trap speed advantage of WS6 over an S2000.

Let's say WS6 is exiting the turn leading to the straightaway (turn 15 at TWS) at 50mph.

Guess what! I only need to exit turn 15 at a 3mph higher speed in my S2000 (53mph), and the WS6 WILL NEVER CATCH ME ON THE STRAIGHTAWAY!! He'll be close behind and travelling 3mph faster by the end of it, but he'll still be behind. How's that for "it's all over" on the straights story? Please bear in mind that we are talking here about the part of the track that is the most advantageous to the WS6, the advantage shifts even more in S2000's favor on the back, "twistier" part of the track.

Case in point: at the latest track event at TWS I was constantly "pulling" on a C5 vette and a 2002 M3 on the straightaway mentioned above. I was exiting turn 15 so much faster that I was making significant ground on them and by the time their superior engines got them up to my speed and I stopped "pulling" on them, I was already diving into turn 1.

Now, don't get me wrong, I KNOW that a better driver in C5 and M3 would exit turn 15 at a higher (probably matching or beating my own) speed, but I am not so sure about a WS6 doing the same.

Whether an S2000 would be able to achieve higher exit speeds than a WS6 depends on many factors: driver ability, tires, suspension, weight reduction or any other mods on both cars (humongous Hoosiers mounted on a WS6 would go a loooong way) e.t.c., but I firmly believe that STOCK for STOCK (and that includes tires), LS1 F-bodies (and to a lesser degree even the WS6 and SS camaro) are no match for S2000 on a road course, given expert drivers of course.