[QUOTE]Originally posted by xviper
[B]Geez!

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TVPincDoc
[B]They CLAMIED that the S got a 0-60 time of 4.9, and the 06 was 4.6.

 

http://www.borgwarnerbrand.com/brute_force...rute_force7.htm

Dual mass flywheels smooth idle, increase fuel economy, and are more "refined". BMW has been using them for years (LUK or Sachs).

Remember that those magazine acceleration times are when some cars are driven in ways that none of us would:

1) They get great times for the Porsche Turbo, but a clutch drop at 5k is a leap of faith, and very expensive, as Porsche clutches are not that good.

2) Same with the S2000 - to get the times from a standing start that bench racers like to throw around, you have to abuse the car. I like to think of a car like the Honda as having great "rolling dynamics". It is not a drag-racer. Current car mags has article on all sorts of hopped up 4-cylinders, including a $68K Comptech S2000 - yet it got walked by a bone stock Z06.

3) Now, cars like the SVT Cobra, the Corvette, and the Viper can be abused all day and come back for more. I have done 10 full throttle 1/4 shots in my SVT, best time was a 12.84 @ 118.75. 0-60 in the low 4's are a snap. Clutch action is very heavy compared to the Honda. Only mods are a chip, CAI, full catted-X and catback. With a pulley - fugadaboutit!

The SVT is a battle sword, the S2000 a rapier. Both have their uses and advantages.

I am looking forward to having to play with both, although the driving styles cannot be more different - I can short sift the Mustang at 6000 rpm and still toast most anything I come across, while this will be the range where the S is just starting to wake up.

 

but if, in theory, the S went up to 260hp, do you think the torque would just stay the same --- particularly if there were a 10% gain in discplacement?

from what i understand, this is just a rumor as well...

while i agree high rev drop-ins in the S are ill-advised, you can't compare the reliability of the Honda S to these american mucle cars... (check out Consumer Reports)

 

If they extend the stroke by 10% there's no way they're going to keep the redline at 9000. The piston speeds are already ridiculous and by doing that they would go up even higher. Honda has already filed papers with the Japanese government for this engine and claims it still makes 240 HP.

 

Are you sure? Go to the Viper forums. There have been posts by owners who have blown their diffs and clutches just like we have, perhaps not in the same numbers, but they still have broken them.
I've owned two Vettes and NO, you cannot beat on them even to a mild extent before they start to break stuff and leak fluids all over the place.
I guess your Mustang was simply just a "gem" of a car.

 

A stroked engine will give more torque, less redline - we have established that. I think 170 lb/ft distributed over a wider range is a real possibility, making the car quicker and more tractable. Personally, bragging rights about a 9k redline mean as much to me as the old "my Dad can beat up your Dad".

One of the tricks they can employ is a bit more spark advance down low, since the mass loading will not put the new engine under the stress load with lower gearing and the 20 extra cubes, reducing spark knock likelihood, which an 11:1 CR and the required tuning for California 91 octane compatibility require.

Consumers Reports are not car people - they are toaster people. Look up body rust on the Corvette - it always scores much worse than average - body rust on glass reinforced plastic????? While I have no doubt that a S2000 is buttoned up better than American muscle, it is a red herring statement - what does it have to do with the validity of what I said about test protocols, clutch life, etc?

I doubt they drop the clutch on a S2000 at 6k - they test just off idle for cryin out loud.


Anyway, the dual mass flywheel will make for a smoother setup, since it distributes the drivetrain resonances over several frequencies. Still, if you hop the car up, or add a power adder like a blower, a single-mass flywheel will likely provide higher torque ratings and reliability.

One wonders if the stroker engine was somewhat less "sewing machine" like, with more vibration than was acceptable - necessitating the D-M flywheel - just a thought. If so, you have to hand it to Honda for going the extra mile - gotta love the company for that.

 

On this engine, no. Honda is using RPM to produce the HP, increasing the displacement will increase the mass of the components, forcing either a reduction in the redline or using exotic materials to maintain the current redline.

 

I can hardly wait to hear more of the facts...i just don't know enough yet to make a guess, other than this(2004 Model) should be some sort of refinement and evolution example to the existing car.

Lots of cars evolve and some years are better than others, so what?....when you say i own a 911 that means you have one and enjoy the unique characteristics of that model...

The S is an automotive icon, out of the box, and will remain one.

 

Does anyone know the retail price is going to be for da new s2200 with the 2.2L. and when they are going to release it. possibly summer of 04'?