I believe what Beig's main point or argument against modifications is that some people choose to treat this high class automobile like a glorified civic and "rice it out." Com'on everyone has seen those civics with those nasty gold pop-out rims, spammed so low that they are literally scraping the road, tasteless body kits and supra wings.

 

OK! Just a second here. We have swung from discussion of not modifying the S2000 at all to discussion of tasteless mods for the S2000. There is a huge difference here and I finally think that I am starting to see Bieg's viewpoint.

Frankly, I don't believe that all that combat-kit-big-wing crap belongs on ANY car. It all just looks like ass. I can justify the wing on near race cars, but on a Civic DX it looks retarded. But hey, it's not my car, so what do I care.

Bieg, if you want to do something really constructive, I would suggest that perhaps you come up with a guide to tasteful vehicle modification.

One other point that I would like to bring up is Bieg constantly saying that modifications = well used car. This simply isn't true. Often, it is the stock cars that have been abused the most, while those owners fanatic enough about their car to modify them to their desires will often been as fanatic about cleaning and maintenance of the vehicle.

Also, I personally view a Mugen S2000 as I would a RUF 911. An excellent vehicle that has already been tuned to an exacting level.

 

I have never said that. What I DID say is that many people looking to buy a car will view a modded car as one that has been flogged to within an inch of it's life every Saturday night. It does not matter if it is true of not the end result is the same, lower resale value.

 

Bieg,

Your argument is flawed in (at least ) a couple of areas:

1) You have admitted that cars make poor investments. If that's the case then why are we discussing it as an investment? Anyone who bought this car with that in mind is an idiot.

2) If you are concerned about the value of your car in 30 years and believe that modifying it will devalue it you should take that argument to the extreme. Driving it PERIOD devalues the car. Using your logic, do you think a collector would rather have a stock S2K with 25 miles on it instead of a stock S2K with 150000 miles on it? Of course he would. So using this logic none of us should even drive our cars.

As far as the rice type S2K's go, I haven't seen any. I just went to a meet with 40+ S2K's and there weren't any there that I would consider "riced out". If they exist they must be the exception and not the norm. I've seen riced out Porsches and Beemers. Beaterz.com has a really bad 911 if my memory serves me correctly.
I don't understand why you continually bring this topic up. Everyone knows your views on this issue and everytime you bring it up the same opinions come out. There's an obvious difference of opinion on this and I can't figure out what you're trying to accomplish starting this thread again.

 

Modified cars make a much WORSE investment.

If this topic bothers you so much why are you responding to it? If people were REALLY tired of it as you say it would not have over 65 responses in less than 24 hours.

Seems to be a flaw in YOUR logic.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bieg
[B]
Modified cars make a much WORSE investment.

If this topic bothers you so much why are you responding to it?

 

Well, cars are bad investments, period. Modified or not. The second you take the keys into your hands, turn it on for the first time and take it home, it loses value!!! Every mile you drive, every scratch and ding, it loses value.

The best way to keep your value, is to not even buy a car!!! LOL

 

"Useless BS"

I wonder what the hell we even have moderators for here.

Open tip to all flamers: if you want unrestricted freedom at slamming people personally, just agree with the viewpoint of the moderators.

 

Wait...you mean, there are people here who believe that others shouldn't have the freedom to mod their cars?

Who and where are these fascists? I want to meet them.

Strike: what part of Beig expressing his personal opinion has anything to do with him limiting the freedom of others? What part of the very LARGE DISCLAIMER on Beig's original message was unclear?

Is it just me or is there a sad lack of critical reading and thinking skills on this board?

[Edited by SilverFog on 06-03-2001 at 06:43 PM]

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ultimate lurker
However, deliberately posting a thread which you hope will draw flames and incite a disturbance places you dangerously close to the behavior of a troll.