Hence my comment about ham-fisted inputs, aka, driving like an idiot... Smooth is fast. I never said the car was "guilty" of anything.

 

My wife has a 350. It's a lot heavier and has a wider stance than an S. It's a lot more planted.

I smashed up my first AP2 showing off trying to spin the wheels from a stop. Car took off wheels spinning. Rear broke loose when it hit VTEC and it started to spin. I couldn't get it back in a straight line, lifted off the gas and the rear swung back and forth several times before it spun all the way around and jumped the curb. So that day I learned to respect the power of this vehicle and also that stupidity creates snap oversteer or rear breakaway or whatever.

 

Cold weather lack of tire grip didn't help I imagine.

-- Chuck

 

This.

 

OH but you did. Because the car isn't as easy to spin as a heavier car on relatively narrow tires, it's the car's fault?

 

You're obviously an idiot who's looking to argue, and you have no clue what you're talking about... I won't entertain your bs from this point forward .

 

Actually, I'm making a point. The car is no easier to spin than any other sports car. Every argument that it is in this thread has been driver error, the car doesn't wildly snap out of nowhere and decide to spin around. An initial mistake is made which is then followed by another mistake to correct it. I said earlier in the thread that it wasn't necessarily easy to spin, but it was harder to correct once the slide/spin was initiated and I stand by it. I'm not saying "I have a 350z and I can't spin it as easy, so there!" I think there's a bit of a culture of believing our cars are harder to drive than they are to feel better about our driving abilities on this board, so in turn we make it look like the car is a holy terror to drive. It's definitely not easy to drive once you've gone over the car's limit and try to bring yourself back under it, but that being said is the car being driven above it's ability that much in a street environment that should even be an issue? Or am I to believe that the car will just decide to kick the rear end out and spin while on my way to morning coffee? Being realistic here, we're talking about a car that has maybe 200whp, absolutely no torque, and has to be revved to the moon to make its power. So if it spins and crashes how likely is it that maybe, just maybe, some driver errors were the route of the problem especially in a non performance driving environment?

 

Actually, you're not; I said I wouldn't entertain this shit anymore, but I couldn't help but make one last statement of FACTS: first, my Z is on 275/245/18 staggered combo just like my S2000; second, it doesn't have the proper balance to rotate as easy as the S, and you would have to be completely reckless to get it to break loose or spin for any reason, the polar opposite of my S2000. Third, take the driver of a car such as a 1M, Miata, Z roadster, etc., and have them try driving the S at the limit like they do the others: unless they're an excellent driver in general with the ability to "feel" a car's chassis/dynamics, 95% of the time they WILL make a mistake and spin the S, not knowing its habits. This is a FACT and there are many who can testify. Just because the drive layout is the same does not make it drive like other cars of the same design; my 300whp Mazdaspeed Miata can be driven sideways, yanked back and forth by an a AVERAGE driver with oversteer experience, the S requires an EXPERT to observe the same results without a nasty off-road experience. I have ZERO issues driving my S at the limit OR correcting an upset chassis at 60+ mph; I've experienced rotation at ONE THIRTY plus and recovered it without issue. I've also been bitten once in one of my previous S2000s by being caught completely off-guard on cold tires and not paying attention, which, while recovered in time not to go off-road and destroy it, did cost me a rear spindle and wheel/rear bumper from tapping a guardrail on the first recovery effort due to proximity at that point; I spun 6-7 times down a two lane road after due to the rear wheel being towed so bad and steering the car, but I kept it between the white lines and stopped eventually; luckily there were no other cars coming the other direction! Your point is moot...

 

The ability to drive other cars like absolute crap and the car be so dead to respond in order to not crash them isn't exactly the shining achievement of an enjoyable car to drive. If that's what you want me to believe, sure whatever. Not really the driving prowess I would shoot for with any sports car. If you hop in one car and expect it to handle like another and in turn loop it, that is your fault. You always pay attention to how the car you're driving is behaving, not the car you thought you were driving.(What kind of reasoning is that, seriously.) The fact here is if you aren't paying attention to how the vehicle is behaving, you will eventually spin it. If the S is such a hard vehicle to drive, why would anyone have one? And knowing that people do have them and drive them, how do they still exist without having been impaled on mountains?

I guess in the meantime I shall wait for my car to 'randomly' spin due to mistakes I've made that I won't cop to, or maintenance I've overlooked and won't admit lead to the spin. Can you tell yet, you're not going to get me to buy that the S spins any easier than any other car?

 

Well, if you watch early S2000 test videos, you will see what car is capable of and I venture a guess that most times it is driver error which includes bad tires and driver input
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Even early Motorweek test drives show that the car is thrown around with precision without spinning out. Learn how to drive.... This is one of the best handling cars to ever come out of Japan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgeclXFrSjg