Flipping the S2000
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Originally posted by S2KFanatic
Glad to see our car hold up against a crash like that! 
Glad to see our car hold up against a crash like that!
And I thought this was bad:
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?...ight=crash+test
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Hard to tell without more detail but could be started by tires not up to temp (entering second lap). I have spun mine at the track going faster with a much better recovery simply because I knew to get both feet in once it started going instead of trying to save it. I would chalk this up to inexperience with the car. Thankfully no one was hurt.
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S2000 is very neutral, right up to the limit. But once you pass that point of no return, the rear tires will suddenly lose grip.
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I so dissagree with that statements. From my experience the S2000 is propabbly the most progressive car (over the limit). I have not driven too many cars that are that 'eazy' to drive over the limit - you can just push it over and bring it back. It's like driving a go-cart ... you almost have a false sence of secutity where you think that it's impossible to spin with the S2000. S2000 is reasonably eazy to get into a slide, but once in a slide things are very progressive and controlable - very few cars around that are loose grip more progressively.
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...since a neutral car like the S2000 doesn't provide much feedback from the tires until it's too late.
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Same goes for this statement. It's totally the opposite from my experience. I get heaps of feeldback from the tyres, suspension as well as the 'seat of the pants'. Steering-wheel does not give too much feeldback but the rest of the car gives plenty.
Anyway, onto the spin - there's no such thing as a car that cannot be spun. Also, anytime you actually spin the car it will always seem 'sudden' and 'unxpected' - if it wasn't then you wouldn't spin ... afterall, how many people do you hear say "I saw the slide coming a mile away, then the car, very slowly went into a 180 spin"? The spin is probably a combination of million things that will cause a car to spin, like:
- Unfamiliar with the track and went in too hot and lifted of too much. Or tightenned the line too much.
- The corner was off-camber (even ever so slightly), had some gravel, sand or oil on it and the diver did not see/anticipate it.
- The gear-change from 4th to 3rd was not smooth enough or timed properly and it usettled the car too much.
- It was a tightenning radius corner and the driver came in too hot and was not aware of it.
When close to the limit, than any of these things (or combination of) can send the car into a slide/spin. Also, from the article it does not sound like the slide was the real problem. Problem was when the tyres finally gripped and snapped the car in the opposite direction - which is eazy to do when you're middle of a slide like that.
S2000 is very neutral, right up to the limit. But once you pass that point of no return, the rear tires will suddenly lose grip.
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I so dissagree with that statements. From my experience the S2000 is propabbly the most progressive car (over the limit). I have not driven too many cars that are that 'eazy' to drive over the limit - you can just push it over and bring it back. It's like driving a go-cart ... you almost have a false sence of secutity where you think that it's impossible to spin with the S2000. S2000 is reasonably eazy to get into a slide, but once in a slide things are very progressive and controlable - very few cars around that are loose grip more progressively.
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...since a neutral car like the S2000 doesn't provide much feedback from the tires until it's too late.
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Same goes for this statement. It's totally the opposite from my experience. I get heaps of feeldback from the tyres, suspension as well as the 'seat of the pants'. Steering-wheel does not give too much feeldback but the rest of the car gives plenty.
Anyway, onto the spin - there's no such thing as a car that cannot be spun. Also, anytime you actually spin the car it will always seem 'sudden' and 'unxpected' - if it wasn't then you wouldn't spin ... afterall, how many people do you hear say "I saw the slide coming a mile away, then the car, very slowly went into a 180 spin"? The spin is probably a combination of million things that will cause a car to spin, like:
- Unfamiliar with the track and went in too hot and lifted of too much. Or tightenned the line too much.
- The corner was off-camber (even ever so slightly), had some gravel, sand or oil on it and the diver did not see/anticipate it.
- The gear-change from 4th to 3rd was not smooth enough or timed properly and it usettled the car too much.
- It was a tightenning radius corner and the driver came in too hot and was not aware of it.
When close to the limit, than any of these things (or combination of) can send the car into a slide/spin. Also, from the article it does not sound like the slide was the real problem. Problem was when the tyres finally gripped and snapped the car in the opposite direction - which is eazy to do when you're middle of a slide like that.
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