I have, well, quite a few issues with this.

1: [QUOTE]Note in this photo of the wave rotor laid over Brad

 

 

some other,
Hate to break it to you but brad has already given all specifications on this brake package. You might want to get all your information before "laying it all out there." In fact, links have been provided that will lead you to the caliper manufacturer as well as any information you would like to know about its design specifications.
As far as Brad's engineering prowess, while I don't personally know the man, seems pretty solid. My father who also has a ph.d in engineering (and 20+ years working in the aerospace industry) seemed to think amidst all the misinformation on "big brake kits" that Brad is shooting it straight to the customer. His kit is the only one I have seen that hasn't claimed X% reduction in stopping distance or other marketing hype.
So all you "grass roots" racers out there in disbelief land need to do a simple search to reveal all that has already been said about these rotors. Of course taking a class or two in physics couldn't hurt either, for all those "arm-chair" racers out there.

 

I'll say it again:

If we discredited everything we never saw before, just because we never saw them before, innovation would die.

This brake system is the creation of the BrakeMan, with modifications made by Brad Wight for the S2000.

Grass roots racers (whoever they are) may be laughing, but pros who use BrakeMan's systems are smiling.

BTW, I had a nice discussion with a guy in my office building who races Porsches. He saw the rotors on my car and went out of his way to ask about them. He was much more open and curious about the concept of the wave rotors than some folks on this board. It was the idea that interested him, and what the best applications might be on the track.

I like people with an open mind.

 

But I have seen these before. The "wave rotor" is not a new idea. Its been riding around on the motorcycle equivalent for rice mobiles for years.
Like who? You throw that out like it actually means something. Like I said before, show me 1 racecar in a legit series or class that runs this brake setup. If there are so many pros out there using it then it shouldn't be hard for you name 1. Since you claim there are so many until you do, you are just blowing smoke.


We aren't talking about a moral issue here. This isn't about how I feel about things. This is you are making a claim, and it is on you to demonstrate that your claim is correct with some sort of logical evidence. Your dad says there is false advertising in the world and some guy at work thinks they are nifty are not good arguments. So I'll ask again, why is the wave rotor better?

Hell even Brad said in an earlier post these rotors aren't for the track.

That's a pretty bold statement considering you don't know what I do for a living....

Anyway checking out Rick's webisite, the non-wave rotors actually look pretty good. The wave rotors are completely for blInG BliNg purposes.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SomeOtherGuy
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This is not meant as a flame, just an observation:

 

SomeOtherGuy

The idea and design for the Wave rotor is to reduce unsprung weight . The rotor will produce the same stopping power as the stock rotor it replaces . This rotor will not have the same heat holding capacity as most cast iron rotors that it replaces . Before we built the first rotor for the rear of the S-2000 we tested the rear rotor temperatures on the race track . We found that the rear rotor on the S-2000 could handle the ultra light weight design . We then built a small production run . Two sets of these rotors are used on cars in California that do a lot of track days . We went to the track and tested one of these cars , The Wave rotor was running cooler then the cast iron rotor it replaced , showing that there is improved cooling from air movement over the rotor . The disadvantage of this design is you increase pad wear about 10% . You can not just take this rotor and put it on any car , for any application . This rotor has been used on the rear of racing Vipers , most of its applications , are on oval cars and sprint cars .
It is not a problem to turn rotor , you unbolt from hat take to machine shop and have it Blanchard ground . It will come back perfectly true and flat .

We would be more than happy to put link over to GrassRoots Site to keep you informed on brakes and braking systems . I buy the magazine every month , and fine most of the articles very interesting .

I find the comment that the use for Drag racing makes sense , but later you state

"Unsprung weight though? Sure it weighs less, but if it doesn't work as well then who cares? A doggy-do weighs less then my current rotors but it sure isn't going to make a more effective brake. Almost all passes are made during braking or as a direct result there of."

How Rick or James use their cars ,this rotor will provide the same amount of stopping ability . Under hard and repeated stops the temperature will rise , but not to a level that the pads can not tolerate . When we test this rotor we will post the amount of increase .

Rick or James do your cars stop ? Have your new rotors warped? . Have your brake faded ? For use on the street this rotor is more than adequate , we will do testing of this front rotor , just as we do with all the parts we sell . We will post these results , with the testing information and the temperature results .

The changing of rotors will not improve petal travel , I am sure it was just a thing that the person installing the rotors felt .

If you are interested in brake information I will sent you information on our pads and brake systems . If you learn how to use our search engine you will find most of it already posted . If you have problems operating the search engine , I am sure that some one on the site will help you .



I am always amazed at the amount of "matches" that some people have available on the internet . I have more burn marks , from trying to post things , then I got from 51 years of starting fires .

PS

We can also produce a "Hurricane " rotor that is made from STEEL that can out perform any cast iron rotor . The reason that we don't offer it in our kit is cost and the brake requirements on the S-2000 , does not warrant its use .

Sorry that my English offends you , I will try to improve it in the future . All of my English teachers , over the years , told me the same thing .


brad

 

Everyone seems to be arguing that these wave rotors (the fronts, particularly) are not suitable for racing... seeing that we all agree, where is the confusion/conflict coming from???

 

I can't wait to see how the front temp numbers work out. You've really taken a new approach balancing the heat soak, sink equation. If Rick and James are trying this out I've got a lot of confidence that this could work. And about physicist, when I was in high school, physicist decided that a car could not accelerate faster than 1G which would have capped the quarter mile at ~9 seconds. Thank goodness the drag racers weren't physicist.

 

No, that's not correct. They're not suitable for some racing conditions. As Brad indicated, they'll be fine on oval tracks and sprint conditions, as well as autocross.

And there is no reason not use them on the street, where the weight savings is a real benefit, too.