Harsh C&D CR Review
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Originally Posted by Old_Guy,Mar 19 2008, 10:42 AM
I have to switch garage walls now. I broke the drywall from bashing my head so hard. I have lots more walls though. Still having more fun than trying to talk about how much I like my car in this place!!! Maybe I should sell it and buy a Cayman??? At least Porsche people generally play nice with each other. Back to the new spot in the garage. . . . . Keep ripping on my CR, I have a 5,500 sf toy barn, lots of drywall to break.
Wear a hardhat if you are doing demolition by cranium.
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Originally Posted by INTJ,Mar 19 2008, 08:28 AM
I complain because instead of giving us a significant improvement, say the M3 CSP or any equivalent, they went for a marketing effort. That is a GM-level effort and any "enthusiast" would know the difference.
Forget about the CR for a second... Let's say you want a regular old S2000. Now lets say you want to use it for track days and some autocross. What do you do to the car? Number one thing is put some decent tires on it. After that, you likely want better body control so you can get maximum benefit from your tires, so you tighten the suspension up a little bit. A hardtop is nice for aerodynamic reasons (which I suspect is the true benefit, as opposed to safety), and the functional aero is.. functional. What's the complaint there? The quicker steering ratio is sort of icing on the cake, but probably welcome in transitions. Likewise, the fabric seats are going to give you a slight but probably tangible increase in comfort and/or safety on track (because you won't slide as much).
Take out the softtop for weight savings (and the Ac and radio too, depending on how much daily driveability you are willing to compromise on) and you have the same effect as you would adding a slight bump in power (until you are dealing with top-end drag, in which case more power is better than lower weight).
To sum up -- everything Honda did makes the car a better performance car, and SOME of the things Honda did make it marginally less desirable as a daily driver, but two of those three things (radio/ac) are the choice of the buyer. I fail to understand what the issue is here from a enthusiast standpoint. From a MARKETING standpoint a power bump would probably sell more cars but the changes Honda made will result in a *better performing car* (i.e. one that turns better times at an autocross or on any track other than a dragstrip or an oval with two straights and two hairpins).
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From: Houston
Originally Posted by Ruprecht,Mar 18 2008, 09:43 PM
"Hey guys, we at Honda are killing the line, sales are dropping and we need to move numbers to meet our vendor contract minimums. We don't have much money on a dead budget, but our hearts are in it. So, we are gonna strip out a few models, drop some pounds (features), and throw a cool idea to some niche drivers. Since we are pulling out some costs (along with the weight) we are gonna sell those models for the same margin as the S. We move the minimums with some new sales, you help us, we help you."
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Originally Posted by Ruprecht,Mar 19 2008, 11:46 AM
What if Honda engineering unveiled the S in 1999 and it amounted to a Civic with a new body kit, sticky tires, suspension and a wing?
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Originally Posted by ShocK,Mar 18 2008, 08:17 PM
Since when did being a guest matter? 
At least I can say he is a true enthusiast, which it is apparent you simply are not, not to mention he could spew info for days about our cars whereas all you can do is complain, maybe you can't drive and get run over at the track? Maybe you got used to that EVO driving for you and you got a real car that takes some skill and effort to drive fast.
It sounds to me you are disappointed in your so called 28.5K venture. All this German rice paddle shifting garbage talk is making me sick, sure Honda could dump millions into developing a paddle shifting transmission that can outshift Keiichi Tsuchiya but what does that leave to us true enthusiasts? Nothing. The brakes are fine, invest in some pads and fluid and it will do just fine, I know at putnam park we were jabbing them from 110(top down) at the 300 mark and not having a single problem when it was time to turn in. Once again you just sound disappointed so maybe you should go buy a Mitsushitty that will leave you sitting either on the side of the road on the trip back from the track or at the actual track itself, owners know to have AAA or a trailer handy. Or how about an STI that will disintigrate its transmission sooner or later. Not to mention all turbo cars puke oil after they start aging. 350Z's are pigs so have fun there. It truly sounds like you need to go get yourself a German car though, plenty of horsepower for all those straights at the track
and a bunch of junk electronics to cost you an arm and a leg when the junk gets old. Wait I know, you need a lancer they have paddle shifters, seen that commercial? You could drive the onramps all day! This entire thread is stupid.
At least I can say he is a true enthusiast, which it is apparent you simply are not, not to mention he could spew info for days about our cars whereas all you can do is complain, maybe you can't drive and get run over at the track? Maybe you got used to that EVO driving for you and you got a real car that takes some skill and effort to drive fast. It sounds to me you are disappointed in your so called 28.5K venture. All this German rice paddle shifting garbage talk is making me sick, sure Honda could dump millions into developing a paddle shifting transmission that can outshift Keiichi Tsuchiya but what does that leave to us true enthusiasts? Nothing. The brakes are fine, invest in some pads and fluid and it will do just fine, I know at putnam park we were jabbing them from 110(top down) at the 300 mark and not having a single problem when it was time to turn in. Once again you just sound disappointed so maybe you should go buy a Mitsushitty that will leave you sitting either on the side of the road on the trip back from the track or at the actual track itself, owners know to have AAA or a trailer handy. Or how about an STI that will disintigrate its transmission sooner or later. Not to mention all turbo cars puke oil after they start aging. 350Z's are pigs so have fun there. It truly sounds like you need to go get yourself a German car though, plenty of horsepower for all those straights at the track
and a bunch of junk electronics to cost you an arm and a leg when the junk gets old. Wait I know, you need a lancer they have paddle shifters, seen that commercial? You could drive the onramps all day! This entire thread is stupid.my ass, I smoke that POS CR by 10 car lenghts, and my S is stock.
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Originally Posted by Ruprecht,Mar 19 2008, 02:46 PM
Honda engineering is needed for this?
I can do this as well.
I can do this as well.
26 of the 60 A-Stock entries at last year's Solo II Championship were S2000s. S2000s placed 1st, 3rd, 4th, 12th... There's a lot of interest in autocrossing these cars, the CR will likely add to that.
6 of the 27 starters at last year's National Championship Runoffs were S2000s. The best finisher was 4th. The CR will hopefully give owners a better chance at the championship in the future.