I'm not a track guy but I still think Honda fell short, its been said time and time again that things like upgraded brakes, better gearing, and adjustable suspension would say "racer" much more to me. One of the rags was doing a write up about 24 hour race in the CR and they menitoned changing the shocks, brakes, and CLUTCH for the use and abuse it was going to get. Seems like those are things that should've been considered with making a club racer.

 

Seriously. The CR is a joke, a stupid JOKE. They put some extra parts from the ap1, a small frame behind the seat, and took a FEW parts off, MAGIC? Hardly.

The s2k is a superb car, the CR is a barely modified street car. It is NOT in the same caliber as any decent Track car on the market. The Marketing fools win again, and the proof is the CR. What is missing:

Fixed-caliper brakes.
Rear vented brakes.
Functional brake intakes.
Racing seats.
Racing wing and spoiler, and if you think what they gave us is, you are lost.
Oversized wheel flares.
More horsepower/gearing.
Evo/VW paddle shifters. Faster under every condition.
Racing quality rims.
Racing-legal roll bar.
Racing exhaust.

Give me a break. The CR cannot compete with ANYTHING other than the miata. Every other manufacturer has raised the ante. Why not Honda? Because they are asleep.

 

Nice. Agreed.

 

I agree with some of this but a lot if far fetched

 

put the gun down.........

Good points though :

 

 

This dude is full of shit.

Pray do tell where the market for your supposed ~$60k Honda S2000 comes from - who the F@#k would want to buy a full race spec S2000. Not many people. But many folks like myself would be more the willing to fork over an additional 2-3k to get a CR that performs CONSIDERABLY better than a stock S2000 in track situations.

The CR is more track-oriented than the standard S2000, plain and simple. It's targeted at many track day addicts that among other things, put a hardtop and change out the suspension on their stock S2000s in search of better laptimes. However they still want their vehicle to be streetable/DD'able in a pinch, and it needs to be AFFORDABLE.

Just for the record, a CR, heck a stock S2000 would edge out most if not all of its competition:
- Miata: bye-bye
- Sky Redline/Solstice GXP: good thrust and torque, but a poor handler. Equal to an S2k in a straight line, and far slower in the twisty bits
- Z4 3.0: cya later
- Z4 3.0si: a competent car that would be be some stiff competition. The previous model with 30 less hp used to get edged out by the S2000 in laptimes. I'd venture to say this "si" version would be as quick, but not quicker.
- 350Z vert: can you say porker
- Boxster: truly stiff competition. But still no faster than a regular S2000 in a straightline, and as competent in the turns. However, a CR would definetely be quicker.

Just for the record - ALL the above cars except the Miata and GXP/Redline twins COST MORE than the S2000. I'd say the S2000 still kicks ass years later, and the CR even more so.

If its not for you fine. Piss off, and let 1500 other folks who want one get on with their business. And do yourself a favor and attend a business school or somesuch.

 

- the stock brake setup is great for the track. Many track day enthusiasts including myself use the stock brake setup with race pads and race fluid. However, no race pad will work on the street. Short of something like PCCB, there IS NO compromise.

- Racing wing and spoiler? I think your the one thats lost genuis - the car has fully functional aero. Get a clue.

- Flared wheel arches? - what the hell is this - something you picked out of a ricer book. Can you say more drag, and can you definetely say BIG $$$ for body panel changes.

- Paddle shifters? Now you starting to crack me up. Lets get rid of the world's greatest manual gearbox and instead put in some automated manual.

- Racing-quality rims? Did you get that term out of a ricer catalog?

- Racing-legal rollbar? The factory rollbar is fine for track use. None of the tracks I've hit up have a problem with it.

- Racing exhaust? That would make the car very streetable wouldn't it?

Do yourself a favor. Get an engineering degree as well. You remind me of some pimply faced 17 year old kid who reads Import Tuner and god knows what other garbage, and spouts off BS about "Racing-quality rims"....

 

I think the CR is like communism, good idea but not the best practice

 

I posted this as part of a longer post in Elistan's thread...but I wanted to post it here as well:
Ironically, I bought my S right before the official release of the CR. Now that I've tracked my S a few times, I can see where the improvements on the CR were designed to lower track times (and in a number of reviews, they have). Looking at what mods I'd planned for this year before returning to the track, the CR has included them all (besides tuning for a wider powerband and the AP1 clutch setup). Better suspension, wider tires, better handling, effective aeros, etc.

The CR is designed for the people that want to be able to drive to the track, have a great day, and then DD it during the week. I think there are those that appreciate this in the S and appreciate what Honda did in building the CR.

Vettes are fast b/c they just power through everything. I like that I have to drive my S for it to be fast. Whether fast or slow it depends more on the driver than on the car itself. That's the essence of what Honda was producing with the S in the first place...