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Heel Toe braking - Partiularly RHD models

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Old Jul 31, 2014 | 11:19 PM
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ahh now you see, you have your leg/foot straight, inline with the throttle pedal. Because I'm lanky I hold my heel under the brake pedal with foot ball on the throttle, which is why it feels odd to move over the other way. But yesterday while trialing, I was thinking I may have to learn to sit my foot on the throttle as a whole, not just the ball.
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Old Jul 31, 2014 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by solitarycheese
Instead, I put my foot on the right half of the brake and roll my foot to the right to blip the throttle.
This.
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 02:28 PM
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Just for the record. There is no such thing is heel/toe in which you brake using your heel and blip the throttle with your toe. I have never heard of or seen anyone doing that, and certainly no professional driver that does and for good reason. I have seen others make this assumption due to the name "heel/toe" but you should absolutely be braking normally and then rotating your heel to blip the throttle.

No matter what anyone tells you, don't do the half of your foot on the brake peddle and roll your other half of your foot over to blip the throttle. This works fine in some cars but absolutely will not work and others, and you will have to learn all over again. Also you are much more likely to make mistakes under braking or have you foot slip off the pedal with only half a foot on it.

Doing this casually around town is perfectly fine, but I would aim for the more traditional technique on track so you will be better at using it on any car you end up driving.
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 03:44 PM
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With the stock pedals, its difficult to perform heel-toe under light braking, slow speed situations. Only the track you'll be able to use the stock pedals more effectively doing that maneuver. That is why I got a throttle pedal extender that not only adds more surface area, but it's also raised too, making it easier to perform heel-toe at any speed. I've been using this setup for at least a couple years now. Here's what it looks like:


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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 04:57 AM
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to the guys side steppin. if you get your foot stuck under the gas peddle, you're going to have a bad time.
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 07:33 AM
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wider shoes or wider pedals take your pick as to make it easier and yes keep your toes on the brake and blip with the heel. it is more important to brake right than rev match your shifts in terms of safety and speed etc
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 08:00 AM
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I do exactly the same as lovegroova, it takes a little practise but on track it feels good
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 09:58 AM
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just keep practicing! i used to daily my S and that's where a lot of my practice came from. My heel-toe is perfect almost every time unless I just got done driving my speed. i wear a size 8-9 and still use stock pedals.
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 08:01 PM
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Just remember that unless you are at the track, the majority of people are just blipping the throttle with out using the brake when exiting the freeway or coming to the light so don9t get disheartened. Also don9t be timid when you are actually rolling / using your heel when braking or the revs won9t be high enough and you9ll lock the wheels momentarily, although it does put you at a nice angle for some Tokyo drift

Practice blipping without using the brake then progress to using the brake. It's also much easier under heavy braking as the pedals are more aligned. If you sit at a desk for work just put a leg out and practice twisting the ankle to the left.
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Old Aug 3, 2014 | 05:04 AM
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I raced open wheelers, with crash boxes for a number of years. If you don't match the revs with them, you just don't get any gear.

I always rolled my foot, & hit the accelerator with my ankle. I found you might as well take your whole foot off the brake, while mucking around with moving your heel over to the accelerator. This works equally with the S I've found.

I also always make just one change from the gear I'm in, to the one I want. Again you can't brake properly hard, while mucking with blipping accelerators.

Still it is what works for the individual that is important, there is no "right" way of doing it.

I did find the S the hardest car to get my "heel & toe" working nicely every time, of any I have owned. That even includes the crash boxes in those racing cars. The high revs, & the engine being rather quiet at lower revs meant I had to listen for the exhaust. It couldn't possibly be that my hearing is not quite as good as it was 50 years ago.
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