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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 04:25 PM
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This thread has some of the dumbest shit EVER posted.
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Old Oct 28, 2004 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by steve c,Oct 28 2004, 04:25 PM
This thread has some of the dumbest shit EVER posted.
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Old Oct 29, 2004 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by xviper,Oct 28 2004, 03:25 PM
I'll remember you next time you come into UTH asking why your car doesn't work.


ok ok canada is cool because they are really lax with their marijuana laws
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Old Oct 29, 2004 | 05:43 AM
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And our dollar is worth closer to 85 cents now
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Old Oct 29, 2004 | 06:20 AM
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There is a good explanation on when you should shift and why on this website ( http://www.allpar.com/eek/hp-vs-torque.html ), which is a classic horsepower vs. torque discussion. Note it is not for the S2k specifically, but it explains the concept. Also, imo, the beauty of the incredible S2k engine is the 9000+ rpm redline, so use it (just warm up and break-in the engine before you kill it).

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"Shift at the redline, not at the torque peak!
Walk through an example. You're hammering down the track in 1st gear. Engine RPM is 6000, just past the engine's torque peak. Do you shift? Well, if you do, the engine will be pulled down to 3600 RPM, and 2nd gear will send 246 ft-lb of torque to the wheels (actually, to the differential first, which amplifies the torque by a constant factor and sends it to the wheels). Don't you think it would be better to hold it in first gear? Torque is dropping off, but it's still 389 ft-lb at 7000 RPM, right before the 7200 RPM redline. So, for this powertrain, first gear is *always* the best deal for acceleration, at any speed, except that you can't accelerate past the redline.

The 1-2 shift at 7200 RPM pulls the engine down to 4400 RPM, where 2nd will deliver 265 ft-lb of torque. Not only did you win by maintaining the high torque of 1st all the way to 7200 RPM, you are now better off in second gear.

Same thing goes for the 2-3 shift. 2nd gear output torque at the redline is still greater than 3rd gear output torque at any engine speed, so you wind her out as far as she'll go before you shift to 3rd. Same for the 3-4, same for the 4-5.

But, you ask, isn't your acceleration greatest at the torque peak? Yes, it is! But only within that gear. The next gear down will give you even greater acceleration at the same speed, unless the vehicle speed is too high for that gear.

To use engine torque to understand how your car performs, you MUST include the effects of the transmission."
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Old Oct 29, 2004 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by xviper,Oct 28 2004, 03:25 PM
I'll remember you next time you come into UTH asking why your car doesn't work.
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Old Oct 29, 2004 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by wing,Oct 29 2004, 08:43 AM
And our dollar is worth closer to 85 cents now
So 7650 RPM then?
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