Peeps That Have Gone From AP2 to AP1
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Too me 9k redline is not all that improtant. I can see why some like it, even more so if your last cars redline was at 5-6K rpms. For me I liked the way the AP2 felt over the AP1, neither of them felt unsafe, the AP2 just seemed a better fit for my style and it did not seem to mind the stop and go traffic as much.
If it was a high redline I was after I would have kept my civic I used to rev it too 10,000 rpm
. I also owned the civic when I first test drove an S. I wasn't that impressed and left the dealership liking my civic more.
After going to an event at Streets of Willow and going for a ride in one on the track
Thats when I said to myself I need to get one of these cars
Conclusion: Get either one, just testdrive both of them and see which one suites your needs the best.
If it was a high redline I was after I would have kept my civic I used to rev it too 10,000 rpm
. I also owned the civic when I first test drove an S. I wasn't that impressed and left the dealership liking my civic more.After going to an event at Streets of Willow and going for a ride in one on the track
Thats when I said to myself I need to get one of these cars Conclusion: Get either one, just testdrive both of them and see which one suites your needs the best.
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Originally Posted by BlownAP,Feb 1 2007, 11:20 PM
the head is NOT the limiting factor in the F22 and how much it revs..... AP1 and ap2 heads are identical besides Retainers and cams...
I don't know why I said that - I know that the bottom end is what's different. Maybe I didn't know then or something. Who knows. You can even see that, I still said I'd switch to an F22 bottom end in that post. I have no idea why I mentioned the springs and junk.
With that said, the F22 is still the better motor imo.
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Originally Posted by sprix!,Feb 2 2007, 08:49 AM
I have owned both, and I will say they are still very similar. You guys are splitting hairs. I don't know why another one of these threads pops up every two days... For all of you guys with AP1 fever, why is it that the only support you can give for your fandom is 9k rpms? There has to be a more substantial reason than that to like your car. Do you throw a party every time you go up to 9k rpms? Do you shoot fireworks out of your exhaust when you spin up that high?
I said it once, and I will say it again. Why can't you guys accept innovation and change? And, dare I say it... IMPROVEMENT! I suppose you guys who claim your "true" AP1 S2000s are superior are still using Windows '95, listening to cassette tapes, and using Dot matrix printers? I am not denying the excellence of the AP1, I am simply saying that you guys need to slack off of AP2. It just seems like those of you who constantly slam the AP2 are just envious of the newer cars. Why do you feel the need to constantly justify and defend your car when no one is putting it down? No one is putting the AP1 on trial!?!?!?!
I had it, and yeah- it was cool, but there is a lot more to this car than the redline. And to the people who think that the only thing that sets this car apart from the rest of the pack is the 9k redline- why not factor in the other attributes? (ie handling, weight balance, lightweight, rigid chassis, build quality, reliability, price, etc) There are more merits to the S2000 than a simple 9k redline... think outside of your little box!
I would like to see people talking about how similar our cars are instead of how different they are. What's funny is most people don't even know this car exists... Even fewer can tell ANY of the changes that were made to the car... and even fewer yet will notice when it is no longer made. Stop squabbling- we are all brothers and sisters here.
I said it once, and I will say it again. Why can't you guys accept innovation and change? And, dare I say it... IMPROVEMENT! I suppose you guys who claim your "true" AP1 S2000s are superior are still using Windows '95, listening to cassette tapes, and using Dot matrix printers? I am not denying the excellence of the AP1, I am simply saying that you guys need to slack off of AP2. It just seems like those of you who constantly slam the AP2 are just envious of the newer cars. Why do you feel the need to constantly justify and defend your car when no one is putting it down? No one is putting the AP1 on trial!?!?!?!
I had it, and yeah- it was cool, but there is a lot more to this car than the redline. And to the people who think that the only thing that sets this car apart from the rest of the pack is the 9k redline- why not factor in the other attributes? (ie handling, weight balance, lightweight, rigid chassis, build quality, reliability, price, etc) There are more merits to the S2000 than a simple 9k redline... think outside of your little box!
I would like to see people talking about how similar our cars are instead of how different they are. What's funny is most people don't even know this car exists... Even fewer can tell ANY of the changes that were made to the car... and even fewer yet will notice when it is no longer made. Stop squabbling- we are all brothers and sisters here.
. One of the reasons I went with the AP1 is because I REALLY do not like the headlights and taillights of the AP2. That's the one area in which I believe Honda missed the mark. Those lights are way too bold looking and attention grabbing for such a clean and classic body. Every time I see an AP2 my eyes are immediately drawn to the lights, be it front or rear. Too much going on in the headlights and the amber in the taillights kills it for me. Yes, I realize I'm in the minority on this one.
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Originally Posted by sprix!,Feb 2 2007, 08:49 AM
Why can't you guys accept innovation and change? And, dare I say it... IMPROVEMENT!
A similar example to our s2k is the RX7tt. Mazda started with an R1 for it's higher performance model. Complaints abounded...it was too harsh, sprung too stiff, etc. What did Mazda do...they listened to their customer's complaints over the professional test drivers who set the original suspension for maximum performance. The R2 was newer and a revised R1, but not a performance improvement...definitely more livable on a daily basis though.
Another example is the e36M3. Originally came with a free revving 3.0l engine. Because of emissions changes and OBDII, BMW later bumped the engine to 3.2l but lowered the redline. Torque was increase and whp was slightly increased, but because the gearing did not change and the redline was lower, the car was no quicker (although 3.2l owners sure thought they must be quicker with a 200cc larger engine).
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i had my ap1 for a year before i traded it in for an 06. the whole time i owned the 03, i justified my purchase for it. i did like the ap2 much more, due to its looks, better stability, and a few other things. i loved my ap1.....buuut, when i had the money to upgrade, i jumped all over it. for me, there only few little things i noticed...the tad bit more of torque was nice for city driving, i didnt have to floor it all the time from light to light to keep up with minivans. like someone stated before, the ap2 design is more bold. which i agree, and thats why i purchased an ap2. the ap1 is a very pretty car, dont get me wrong, but the newer, bolder look just wins me over. my advice to anyone out there; if you have the cash for a newer s2k, lower mileage, get it! and i dont see why so many people say that the ap2 is a lot better for day to day driving, thats 
. they are so similiar, its not even funny. both are wonderful cars
. they are so similiar, its not even funny. both are wonderful cars
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02-03 are the best years, AP1 is for the purest, IMO the AP2 is for older, balding, fat men who need confort and smoother ride for their potbellies. lol
Remember Joe, I have the 00 and I was on your ass on latigo, I didn't see that 200cc's helping you, and if there was enough room I would have passed. Get the AP1, same some money, and be hardcore. If you want something plush go buy a bmw.
Remember Joe, I have the 00 and I was on your ass on latigo, I didn't see that 200cc's helping you, and if there was enough room I would have passed. Get the AP1, same some money, and be hardcore. If you want something plush go buy a bmw.
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Originally Posted by chairmnofthboard,Feb 2 2007, 10:46 PM
02-03 are the best years, AP1 is for the purest, IMO the AP2 is for older, balding, fat men who need confort and smoother ride for their potbellies. lol
Remember Joe, I have the 00 and I was on your ass on latigo, I didn't see that 200cc's helping you, and if there was enough room I would have passed. Get the AP1, same some money, and be hardcore. If you want something plush go buy a bmw.
Remember Joe, I have the 00 and I was on your ass on latigo, I didn't see that 200cc's helping you, and if there was enough room I would have passed. Get the AP1, same some money, and be hardcore. If you want something plush go buy a bmw.
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Originally Posted by FISH22,Feb 2 2007, 10:57 PM
wow, something tells me your not very smart. everything you just said made NO sense.
the ap2 was made smoother and more comfy, two things the S2000 was not supposed to be.