question about rev matching
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From: Renton, WA
Originally Posted by Moddiction,Jan 21 2011, 11:09 AM
If skipping gears just go through the gears with the clutch pushed in and then release at desired gear. Best way to do it if skipping gears on a down shift.
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Originally Posted by ZDan,Jan 20 2011, 06:45 PM
You shouldn't be spending any more time time with the clutch disengaged than is required to shift. The only time the drivetrain should be disengaged for any time beyond that is when you come to a stop.
By the time you begin the turn, you should be in the appropriate gear with the clutch engaged. Clutching and shifting to engage the right gear while you're in the turn is *extremely* poor form! And if you're lazy (I am too), doing it *right* is the easier more natural way anyway.
Being in mid-turn and not having the drivetrain engaged and in the right gear is NOT where you want to be. You want to only be dealing with the brake pedal and transitioning to the gas pedal, no declutching and shifting going on at all, from just before you begin the turn throught to its exit.
Disengaging or engaging the clutch while turning is a bad habit, so BREAK IT.
By the time you begin the turn, you should be in the appropriate gear with the clutch engaged. Clutching and shifting to engage the right gear while you're in the turn is *extremely* poor form! And if you're lazy (I am too), doing it *right* is the easier more natural way anyway.
Being in mid-turn and not having the drivetrain engaged and in the right gear is NOT where you want to be. You want to only be dealing with the brake pedal and transitioning to the gas pedal, no declutching and shifting going on at all, from just before you begin the turn throught to its exit.
Disengaging or engaging the clutch while turning is a bad habit, so BREAK IT.
Having said that, when I'm on the streets about to make a turn, I take it out of gear and coast to the turn and even coast into the turn depending on traffic going around 10 mph (I'm envisioning more of a tight right turn and not a gradual turn) Again, this is me being lazy and like you all said wrong. But IMHO, im not worried about oversteering or whatnot at these speeds. My biggest concern with this technique is not having 'power' if needed since in the beginning part of the turn i am not in gear.
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Originally Posted by ikeyballz,Jan 20 2011, 07:48 PM
I understand its ok to not DC rev-match upshift,
Going through the considerable effort of reengaging the clutch midway through the shift isn't buying you anything. The time required to do that is going to be greater than the time that the revs would come down to the appropriate rpm for the next gear doing a NORMAL single-clutch upshift.
[QUOTE]but your argument is like arguing against the 3K mile oil changes.
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[QUOTE=gtg749m,Jan 21 2011, 11:06 AM]Having said that, when I'm on the streets about to make a turn, I take it out of gear and coast to the turn and even coast into the turn depending on traffic going around 10 mph (I'm envisioning more of a tight right turn and not a gradual turn)
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Originally Posted by gtg749m,Jan 21 2011, 11:06 AM
I agree with your statement, and thats what I do if I were at a track or doing 'aggressive' driving on the streets, or mountain driving b/c at that point my speeds are fast enough to cause oversteer and I do not want to shift while in a turn.
Having said that, when I'm on the streets about to make a turn, I take it out of gear and coast to the turn and even coast into the turn depending on traffic going around 10 mph (I'm envisioning more of a tight right turn and not a gradual turn) Again, this is me being lazy and like you all said wrong. But IMHO, im not worried about oversteering or whatnot at these speeds. My biggest concern with this technique is not having 'power' if needed since in the beginning part of the turn i am not in gear.
Having said that, when I'm on the streets about to make a turn, I take it out of gear and coast to the turn and even coast into the turn depending on traffic going around 10 mph (I'm envisioning more of a tight right turn and not a gradual turn) Again, this is me being lazy and like you all said wrong. But IMHO, im not worried about oversteering or whatnot at these speeds. My biggest concern with this technique is not having 'power' if needed since in the beginning part of the turn i am not in gear.
No one who steps foot on a track would ever practice such poor, lazy, and unsafe driving habits.
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Originally Posted by whiteflash,Jan 21 2011, 11:23 AM
No one who steps foot on a track would ever practice such poor, lazy, and unsafe driving habits.
I know what happens when shifting in a turn, or even letting the gas go for that matter. Fortunately for me I learned very early without getting into an accident when I first got the car. I was taking a long sweeping turn at 50+ and decided to shift. Another instance was when I mashed the gas exiting a turn when it was raining.
On any note, I can be the 1st person to fit your description above. Again, I'm not saying I'm am a great driver, or even good driver for that matter.
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Originally Posted by ZDan,Jan 21 2011, 11:21 AM
There are *countless* incidents involving S2k's winding up in the ditch, into a curb, sideways in the middle of the road, etc. where the driver was "not worried about oversteering or whatnot at these speeds."
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I agree that it is not ideal to shift mid turn but if you're driving on the street and you know you want to exit a long corner in 2nd, you may not want to wind the motor through the whole corner to be in gear when you come out of the corner. A lot of the time if Im exiting the highway on a winding ramp I will come off in 3rd or 4th and downshift during the corner exit. Sure I could have slammed the car into 2nd at 50mph and rode through the corner at 7000rpm but its impractical. Its much easier to just learn rev matching and down shift during the turn.
