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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 07:19 AM
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[QUOTE]TimSee,Jul 18 2004, 10:31 AM] Yeah, I know, it's supposed to be a "pure" sports car.
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 07:54 AM
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Most of the time when i see "sports car purest" i think "unwilling to try new technology." Just seems like they go hand in hand w/ discussions like this. I would consider my self a sports car purest if it weren't for the way people use that term. Because I'm interested in things like SMG, traction control (very minimum, like they use in F1), and dual clutch SMG (like what audi has). Does that mean I'm no longer purest? Does that mean that F1 cars are not true sports car or true race cars. I wouldn't think so.

No it means paddle-shifts and traction control gets in the way of the pure driving experience. The reason F1 cars have these gadgets is because they are designed to go as fast as possible around a track, not to be fun for the driver. The S has one of the best manual shifts on any road car in the world and people want to change it with a crappy flappy thing? Ludicrous! Why do you need more torque? You have a six-speed gearbox and a 9,000 rev limit in a relatively light car! Change down, it's part of the fun. And what use is a folding hard-top on a car like the S? XXkgs of extra weight on a car that has an aluminium boot (trunk) to save weight! Yeah that makes sense! Come on guys please tell me you're not serious, it really makes me wonder why you bought the car.

In a car like ours, less is more, if you don't know what I'm talking about you don't 'get' the S.

[QUOTE]It seems weird that all you sports car guys are fussing over stereos.
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Neil.H,Jul 19 2004, 10:54 AM
The only changes I'd make are less plastic on the interior (perhaps some bare metal on the instrument panel), a lower driving position (just take an inch or two off the seat height, or make them height adjustable.
I don't want to see the S2000 turn into the Elise, but rather stay where they are in terms of comfort and interior styling, just bring the technology up to date some more. Some rear difussers underneath that can deliver real downforce like the Ferrari Modena, SMG, Launch Control, and that's about it. More side bolstering on the seats, brake calipers equal to what Mitsubishi, Lotus, and Subaru offer. As far as 16" or 17" wheels, whatever the engineers at Honda think is best, is fine by me. 16" tires cost less
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by nastinupe1,Jul 16 2004, 11:21 AM
I5 300 hp, 300 lbs/ft torque, more hip room, 18 inch tires, bose stereo system, better paint job, Acura Label (for improved customer service) , 7 speed manual transmission, better quality top, cross drilled rotors, brembro brakes, voice activated navigation system.
Sounds like you're looking for an STI...and beyond. For me, i'll take a factory turbo S, keep the 9k redline with the 2.2 motor, factory 17's, and finally factory lowered. If the S was made to be a road-track car/sports car, people who want ground clearance shouldnt buy them. Should have atleast the KG/MM Sport Springs on there from the factory. Also, I havent seen many different color S's in person, but my color, Silverstone Metallic looks WONDERFUL after a wash, like millions of little diamonds got stuck on my car. -Chris
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by cthree,Jul 18 2004, 09:23 PM
Not sure what you consider a MANUAL sequential gearbox to be. In case you are confused, here is a handy instructional video: http://user.s2ki.com/cthree/heeltoe.mov MR2 it's not I assure you.
Can't see your "handy instructional video" due to the restrictions on streaming video they have set up on our network here at work so I don't know what you're trying to say here. I was responding to this previous comment you made:
WTF do you mean "manual"? Clutchless means automatic, SMG is automatic. What you guys are talking about is an electronically controlled automatic transmission with manual selector NOT a manual sequential gearbox. There is a huge difference.
Automatic means "torque converter" to me. The Spyder SMG is NOT clutchless, it just doesn't have a clutch pedal. It is a six speed manual transmission separated from the motor by a dry clutch (that operates via computer controlled hydraulic actuation). All upshifts and downshifts and are manually initiated.

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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 01:49 PM
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[QUOTE=R11,Jul 19 2004, 11:04 AM] Can't see your "handy instructional video" due to the restrictions on streaming video they have set up on our network here at work so I don't know what you're trying to say here.
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by brian_k03,Jul 19 2004, 03:29 PM
umm...


The 39 bpm heartrate is probably due to hypothermia resulting from 7% body fat. Maybe he's a lobster and they sprinkle cold water on him between races to put him in a state of suspended animation? Maybe that's his secret?
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Old Jul 19, 2004 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cthree,Jul 19 2004, 03:49 PM
<major snippage....>

Marketers are known for manipulating the language if not completely bastardizing it. Therefore, my argument hinges on the fact that any function performed by an electronic or mechanical device without human intervention is not manual but rather automatic. When I see "manual sequential gearbox" I think, based on my knowledge of the English language, a gearbox which moves through it's gears in a sequential manner rather than a gearbox which allows random and direct selection of gears (H pattern) but is otherwise completely manual in operation. Such gearboxes do exist for racing cars and on most motorcycles with multiple gears (Goldwing and other automatic motorcycles excluded).

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Sorry to be anal but I thought you were talking about what the first post of this thread said you were talking about, a manual gearbox.
Well, however you want to look at it. The fact is, the SMG transmissions similar to that which BMW sells "are" manual transmissions from the standpoint that they have a clutch, gears, and synchronizers just like the transmission in our S2000. That's as opposed to an automatic with torque converter and planetary gear set(s). If you want to say it's not a manual transmission because the clutch and gear shifting is computer controlled by hydraulic actuators, that's Ok. I've never had the opportunity to drive a SMG transmission and would "really" like to some day but I don't imagine that it's something I'd choose in my own car.

Also, for the record, to my knowledge (and I could be wrong), Honda is the only motorcycle company that's offered "automatic" transmission equipped motorcycles. I'm not counting scooters here. They sold a mid displacement bike, around the 350 to 450 displacement category (I don't remember exactly which right now) and they offered their 750 4-cyl with an "automatic" gear box for a year or so back in the mid to late 1970's. They didn't sell very well. They were two speed gear boxes. A low speed good to about 60 or so and a high speed for freeway running. They did not shift on their own. The rider chose a gear and that's what he/she got. You could leave the thing in high gear all the time. The only disadvantage was slightly slower acceleration from a standing start.

Honda has never sold a Goldwing with an automatic transmission of any kind! They are all 5-speed sequential manual transmissions.

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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TimSee,Jul 18 2004, 11:31 AM
Yeah, I know, it's supposed to be a "pure" sports car. But how about some freakin homelink buttons?!? I have my garage door opener in the door pocket to keep it out of the way. Instead of XM, I wish Honda would have added some homelink to the visors instead.

Homelink = inexpensive, light and no more garage door opener rattling around in the door!

Everything else I love or can live with as-is with the thoughts of keeping the car moderately priced and lightweight.
you can buy homelink on ebay from a visor and rip it out. just needs a 12v connecton which is easy to find under the dash.
other options is to buy a smaller remote. i'm not sure which system you run but me for example i can use this keychain remote for my gates and just use ezpass doubleside tape to under the dash
http://www.remote-garage-door-openers.com/linear.htm
you should check if there is any other remotes that available that are compatible with you garage or gate..
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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 05:54 AM
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The S2K needs two more doors, a hatch back, automatic tranny and 6 cylinders.

Wait, that's my volvo wagon!!

Never mind, it's fine just the way it is.
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