S2K to CR-Z...anyone else?
Originally Posted by Onehots2k,Jun 22 2010, 09:06 AM
I personally like how it looks. I just hate the seating accommodations and complete slowness. Its nowhere near a Prius in terms of MPG. 31MPG city for the manual? Wow. For 22k I'd take a bare bones Cooper S that is VERY quick, has more space, can get high 30's MPG without trying very hard. Ask me how I know.
i like the way it looks but if MPG is what you're going for i'd rather get a golf TDi. my GF recently got one and she gets over 35mpg on every tank without even trying.
Like I just stated, that's not what attracts me to the car, the Jetta TDi can get upwards of 50 mpg. Which i'm sure is achievable with the cr-z as well from what drivers in other countries are reporting.
Originally Posted by N2oExpresS2k,Jun 22 2010, 01:42 PM
The mileage isn't what attracts me to the car, it's the fact that is has the electric motor in it, and electric motors make 100% of their torque right from 0 RPM's. It should have plenty of torque to drive around solely on the electric motor from commuting. With that said there's no gas powered car that can get better MPG, because it wont be spending any gasoline.
EDIT: The electric motor makes 22 ft/lbs of torque and 11 hp. Not exactly a whole lot to more 2700-ish pounds of car.
^But you will be spending 20 grand to SAVE on gas lol.
So if you spend $50 a week on gas now it will take over 10 years to have broken even with the gas savings for the 20 grand you spent. Add insurance you will be paying on the 2nd car and make that 15 or more years..
So you are doing ZERO savings and spending lots more money, just not on gas.
So if you spend $50 a week on gas now it will take over 10 years to have broken even with the gas savings for the 20 grand you spent. Add insurance you will be paying on the 2nd car and make that 15 or more years..
So you are doing ZERO savings and spending lots more money, just not on gas.
I bought an '04 Kia Rio with 25,000 miles on it for $4,000.... and it got 37-41 mpg with mixed city/hwy driving and the insurance was less than 200 bucks per 6 months....
You really can't win that the CR-Z is an economically smart choice.
You really can't win that the CR-Z is an economically smart choice.
Hybrids don't pay until gas is 8-10$/gallon.
Factor in the extra money for hybrid and what you're really doing is betting that pump prices will exceed $8/gallon when you own the car. That won't be happening any time soon.
Or another way to look at the extra cost is you're buying oil futures. Which most major companies had huge write downs was oil fell from 150 to $80/barrel. I doubt you're smarter.
Anyone who buys a hybrid is ignorant of these facts. Furthermore the 'green' aspect of batteries is fiction. If you'd seen what a mining operation looks like you'd know it's horrible for mother earth.
Stick to a small 4cyl and drive slower.
Factor in the extra money for hybrid and what you're really doing is betting that pump prices will exceed $8/gallon when you own the car. That won't be happening any time soon.
Or another way to look at the extra cost is you're buying oil futures. Which most major companies had huge write downs was oil fell from 150 to $80/barrel. I doubt you're smarter.
Anyone who buys a hybrid is ignorant of these facts. Furthermore the 'green' aspect of batteries is fiction. If you'd seen what a mining operation looks like you'd know it's horrible for mother earth.
Stick to a small 4cyl and drive slower.
similar to the math posted earlier,
if you move to a car that can use regular gas (usually 20c cheaper per gallon) and get 10mpg more then you'll save $1040 a year assuming a 100 mile drive 5 times a week, every week.
Insurance for me is about $50 per car per month, so $600 a year right off the top means that if I get a free car i'm saving $400 a year on gas.
If i buy your kia rio for $4k, it'll take 10 years to pay for itself.. i have NEVER owned a car more than about 3 years... soooo i'll keep my S
Also, in terms of damaging the environment you'd have to drive a prius about 50 years for it to be "Better" than driving a hummer for the same period of time.
strip mining is HORRIBLE for the environment, plus the fuel the equipment uses to mine the stuff, plus the fuel for the ships to take the raw materials to the battery factory, then fuel from there to the auto factory, etc. It just doesn't add up.. ever.
Until someone comes up with some better tech for storing electrical energy no hybrid or electric car is going to be "better" than any other car on the road.
if you move to a car that can use regular gas (usually 20c cheaper per gallon) and get 10mpg more then you'll save $1040 a year assuming a 100 mile drive 5 times a week, every week.
Insurance for me is about $50 per car per month, so $600 a year right off the top means that if I get a free car i'm saving $400 a year on gas.
If i buy your kia rio for $4k, it'll take 10 years to pay for itself.. i have NEVER owned a car more than about 3 years... soooo i'll keep my S

Also, in terms of damaging the environment you'd have to drive a prius about 50 years for it to be "Better" than driving a hummer for the same period of time.
strip mining is HORRIBLE for the environment, plus the fuel the equipment uses to mine the stuff, plus the fuel for the ships to take the raw materials to the battery factory, then fuel from there to the auto factory, etc. It just doesn't add up.. ever.
Until someone comes up with some better tech for storing electrical energy no hybrid or electric car is going to be "better" than any other car on the road.
^^ I only owned that Kia at that time... now I only own my S as owning just one car is certainly cheaper.
The one thing that I am considering adding to my garage is an 70's/80's Yamaha or Honda motorcycle. This would be more about having fun wrenching on it, but it would be a fun economical commuter that will cost around 1,500 to buy one and get it running well.
The one thing that I am considering adding to my garage is an 70's/80's Yamaha or Honda motorcycle. This would be more about having fun wrenching on it, but it would be a fun economical commuter that will cost around 1,500 to buy one and get it running well.


