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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 12:38 PM
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Have you considered that there was black ice?
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Planets,Feb 8 2007, 02:43 PM
how's that C&D quote go? "inappropriate vehicle rotation at the point of disappearing talent"?



Yeah dude....10-15 mph....did you decide to countersteer after you've spun all the way around? I am no drifting expert, but I know I can manage my car in any traction conditions at those speeds. Its kinda basic emergency skills.

Don't accelerate, don't deccelerate, steer into the slide....ummmm I think your highschool drivers ed class should have covered this
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Dizzymon,Feb 8 2007, 07:27 AM
The ground was a bit wet this morning but no apparent puddles, while I was making a left turn at a stop at marginally slow speeds about 10-15mph, my rear came loose and I spun a 360. Is there something wrong with my differential?
No, just your car control skills. Seriously, practice makes perfect.

It's actually easier to break the car loose at slow speeds than at high speeds, because you have more torque available.
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dizzymon,Feb 8 2007, 10:27 AM
I was making a left turn at a stop at marginally slow speeds about 10-15mph, my rear came loose and I spun a 360.
No way this car's gonna spin out at that speed without being under heavy throttle and/or on a very slick surface. Period. Interesting thing about slick spots in a curve is that rear tires don't go anywhere the fronts haven't just been and you don't mention anything about the front washing out - only that they are bald.
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by i_heart_my_DB8,Feb 8 2007, 01:34 PM
Did you check for marbles or ball bearings on the ground? Maybe that's what caused it.

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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dizzymon,Feb 8 2007, 04:28 PM
If you cruise through oil slicks that's fine and dandy but not when your car is doing a turn through some slick roads. And no I did not brake when I started to spin nor did I steer the car the opposite direction. I did have 2 bald front tires if I forgot to mention earlier on.

Also I had driven about 20 miles on the highway before I spun out so NO my tires were not COLD and at 55F it's not cold enough to have anything frozen on the ground.
Being cocky (your displaying it now) pretty much tells us everything we need to know. Doing the 1337 d|2iFt|n6 FaSt AnD FurIOus style?!?!?! Thats what I thought. The car won't do anything unless you tell it to considering YOUR pedal goes straight to the throttle body with no intervention. Slow down, your obviously not as good of a drifter as you thought because you can't spin at 10mph without giving it a LOT of throttle (unless there is ice/snow...notice how I DON'T mention rain, your going to slow to have rain be a large factor).


Also (assuming you have summer only tires), driving in 55F weather on the highway for a few miles will NOT warm them up. SO tires need +60 degrees usually to work properly. Thats not even adding in the fact of mosture, etc.
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 03:48 PM
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I can do a perfect 180 from 0mph. It's my "avoid-3-point-turn" move.

360 is hard unless you're really gunning the accelerator and have the front wheels locked to the side...

I think the problem was caused by aliens... with a black ice ray gun... and a couple of oily marbles... wrapped in wet leaves. Try to avoid the aliens and you should have no problems.
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 04:09 PM
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haha, we get one of those every 4 days

sorry, cars dont drive themselves.

the only my car has ever gotten unintentionally "out of control" was cold tires on a tight downslope turn. and the back end slipped maybe 2 feet at most
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dizzymon,Feb 8 2007, 10:27 AM
The ground was a bit wet this morning but no apparent puddles, while I was making a left turn at a stop at marginally slow speeds about 10-15mph, my rear came loose and I spun a 360.
Dizzymon, I'm trying to get a handle on what actually happened here.

How did you manage to do a full 360? If you'll look at the animated gif in my signature you'll see one way to do it, but other than a full burn it's actually very hard to get the tail to come all the way around so you end up facing in the same direction. Normally the car will step out, but it always steps back in as soon as you correct (or slides sideways to a quick stop). Did you wag the tail a few times before actually spinning?
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dizzymon,Feb 8 2007, 04:28 PM
I did have 2 bald front tires if I forgot to mention earlier on.
OK, here's a possible scenario. The roads were damp, so the front tires, which had no tread, started to slide. You applied more lock to get the car to turn in, then about that time the front tires hit a dry spot and grabbed, jerked to the left, causing the rear tires (which were still on a wet surface) to go into a slide.

Still a driver error; Bald tires is a driver error in and of itself.

Thing is, even if the front tires grabbed suddenly, I can't see how the car could have enough energy at the speeds you've given to make it through a full 360. The entire surface would have to be pretty slick for that to happen, regardless of what initiated the rotation. The worst this car will usually do (at low speeds) is to get sideways and then slide to a complete stop sideways, unless you encourage it to do otherwise. Normally it doesn't continue to rotate past 180 degrees before scrubbing off 15-20 MPH or more. I do not believe the car will do a 360 at 15 MPH without cranking in the steering and applying lots of throttle. Are you sure you weren't goiong somewhat faster than you realized?
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