[QUOTE=Wildncrazy,Oct 14 2006, 08:40 PM]I would beg to differ.

Name me one tranny on the market today that skip shifting will destroy like it does the S. Chevy even forces skip shifting in the Corvette.

Even in the "old days" skip shifting never damaged any tranny that I am aware of.

 

Wildncrazy, this could lead to a discussion of Honda's design intent with the S2000, and people who have been into sports and racing cars for as long as Honda has been into racing see that differently (and I believe more accurately), so let's not even go there.

 

The way to properly skip shift on an upshift would be to move the shifter into the gear that you're skipping, but not letting the clutch out and shifting into the desired gear. For example:

you're in 2nd, push clutch in, shift to 3rd, shift to 4th, let clutch out.

 

My point is that there isn't a car on the market, nor has there been a car on the market for a long, long time that this has been a concern.

You're not trying to tell me that Honda designed this into it are you?

As far as the tranny being "lightweight" I think that it is like so many others and designed to handle to power in a certain range and no more. If you've seen a Miata tranny and the S tranny side by side you'll definitely never call the S tranny a lightweight. Look at the power it is holding with the Turbo and Supercharged motors, that's not lightweight.

No, it does a good job of handling power in every aspect except the synchros which is a major flaw in any tranny no matter the year of manufacture.

I remember the Austin Healey 3000s. Once it was determined that the 2nd gear synchros wouldn't hold up sales dropped and a new tranny was designed.

 

That's one way to do it, and what I normally do, but there are also other alternatives. This one is pretty safe though, as long as one is familiar enough with transmission feel to be able to tell when the synchros for the gear that isn't being engaged are up to speed. If the touch is a little on the heavy side it's pretty easy to engage the gear fully. LOL, well, I guess that doesn't hurt anything either, and it's another way to skip gears. IE: Say we're in second; Clutch in, engage thrid, engage forth, then bilp the throttle (if necessary) and release the clutch. I doubt Honda would even consider that "skipping gears."

 

I don't really know enough about every car on the market to say for sure, but I'd be very surprised if you weren't right about this.

As for the rest of it, I don't want to debate it, but I've owned an AH3000, and a pile of other older euro roadsters, and I studied the development cycle of the S2000 before I bought the car. I can tell you that I got exactly what I expected, what I feel Honda promised me, including the synchros, and after that I hope we can be done with the discussion. Taking it any further will only result in a debate over what constitutes advertising and lying, and what Honda actually had in mind, and that's going to be a very non-productive debate (so I refuse to go there). We have differing opinions, and I believe mine are based on a study of the design, and are hence based in fact, but you are certainly entitled to think I'm full of crap or even stupid if you like. I'm sure I can find some people who will agree with you. Have you met my wife?

edit: My transmission is flawless. I never miss shifts and rarely get a grind, so I simply can't see it as a flawed design. The synchros allow extremely quick shifts and are plenty strong enough for my traditional driving style (learned mostly in euro roadsters, long ago). Does that seem like a more reasonable way to look at it?

 

Mine has worked flawlessly as well, except for one minor lock out of 5th gear for a couple of days, but I don't skip shift much at all. But the point is that I shouldn't have to worry about skip shifting.

And then there are those guys that track them and after a day or two or going thru 1-4 find they can't go any higher in the gears. That just ain't right.

I don't expect everything to work right all the time, but when there is a consistent reoccuring problem then that means that area is weak and needs to be addressed.

 

[QUOTE=Wildncrazy,Oct 14 2006, 10:51 PM]Mine has worked flawlessly as well, except for one minor lock out of 5th gear for a couple of days, but I don't skip shift much at all.

 

This does make sense theoretically but I can't visualize why would you need this physically.

This is what I could find:


Why would it matter if you pushed the syncro on the 3rd first and then 4th rather than just going to 4th? As in, what would the going to 3rd accomplish?

Are we basically saying to treat this as a sequential tranny?

I think I am completely misunderstanding this. I always let my rpm's drop all the way before engaging the clutch for the "skipped" shift. I think the car would choke if you shifted from 1st to 6th for extreme case example.

 

Wow! I didn't think there would be so much discussion about this topic. It's seems pretty straight forward to me. The S2000 tranny is probably the best 6 spd gearbox any of us will ever use, and you're complaining about having to shift through all the gears? Why did you buy the car if you didn't look forward to this exhilarating oportunity each and every time you pushed that start button? It seems to me that lugging the little Honda motor would be the last thing I would want to do while driving it too. If you're disappointed in your S2000 purchase, go drive a brand new Porche 911 with a short throw gearbox and you will realize then how lucky you have it!