[QUOTE=Boofster,Oct 15 2006, 06:04 AM] This does make sense theoretically but I can't visualize why would you need this physically.

 

I can see that you probably understand why I don't see any of this as indicative of a flawed design.

People buy S2000's for all manner of reasons, and drive them in an infinite variety of ways. Some have a hard time with the gearbox, and I think that's both OK, and to be expected. Guys like you and I, who love to shift, sometimes need to help some of them out a little. It's all good.

 

I did skip shift, I do skip shift, and I will continue to skip shift.

I think there are two keys to doing it without damage.
1. Let the revs drop to the appropriate level before engaging the new gear. You need to give the gears and the motor time to slow down a bit.
2. The higher you rev, the larger the difference will be in RPM between the shifts. The closer you are to idle, the less wear skip shifting will cause. I don't skip shift above 5500-6000 rpm.

Tim

 

i agree with timp,what he said. i have this car for 3 years and 25,000 plus miles, the trans works perfectly, with skip shifts...not abuse, vetc every day for sure, etc...just don't abuse your car and it should be just fine. listen to what is says, feel when it protests, use the gearbox and gas pedal together, etc...

 

If you are skip-shifting coming down (where most people would) in speed, then I would suggest double clutching. Since you aren't accelerating a double-clutch can be as slow as you like and will help your syncros to live a long time with no problems.

To double clutch if you are unsure, you shift into neutral, release the clutch, slow to the speed you want, then clutch in, shift into gear, clutch out again.

As far as skip-shifting going up in gears, I would suggest "rowing" through the gears or double clutching since it will help to get your transmission up to speed so that your syncros do less work.

 

I posted on a couple of other car threads to see if they'd ever heard of skip shifting being a prob. It seems that veryone does it as a matter of course and no other car manufacturer that I can find has a prob.

I understand the fun of rowing thru the gears, I'd never have an automatic in a performance car, but that isn't the point. The point is that reasonable expectations would have that a transmission on a car of this calibre and price would have a transmission that would perform at least as well as other trannies. In this day and age there's no excuse for a problem like this.

I love the feel of the shifting and I like the power handling capacities, but no matter how you try to justify it there is no way you can say that with the number of synchro issues we see reported here and how often people get slapped down for skip shifting that there is no problem.

The tranny even encourages you to skip shift on a downshift. When coming from 6th or 5th the transmission automatically lines up for a 3rd gear downshift. Many people say transmissions are spring loaded to automatically select 3rd. This is a standard feature on every modern tranny.

As far as double clutching &/or downshifting and skipping gears I think the rev matching is what makes either of them work.

Should I have to double clutch a street tranny? I'd have to say no.

I understand what I have to do to work around the weak tranny design, my point is that I shouldn't have to. Will it drive me away from the S? Never. But it has given the S a reputation for a weak tranny and it does drive others away before they own one.

 

thats what i've done in all manual cars ive driven

 

Great! Me rowing gears like a maniac is now a Honda approved activity.

Excuse me while I go perform some preventative maintenance.

Honestly I don't see why their would be a problem skipping upshifts as long as you aren't slamming 2nd to 6th and not letting the RPMs come down before putting it back into gear.

This just sounds like a warning saying hey are synchros our a weak point be careful.

 

It would be, but not many people know how to match revs.

 

There is a simple answer: brakes are a whole lot cheaper to replace than a clutch or your transmission. the transmission should never be used for braking.