Haha....i was merely putting their statements as factual events, because it is in fact what they have stated. Btw I usually smoke og cush rolled in blunts or sometimes hit with sobe. You can't deny they're some good shlt.

 

Any s2k is FAR from being a plush ride!!! Make no mistake they are all RAW!!!!

 

[QUOTE=Saki GT,May 18 2007, 02:50 PM] The whole powerband on the AP2 shifted down 1k rpms.

 

Most of the pros and cons are subjective, but the one piece of objective info is: if you want to be able to say "the car's so raw they didn't even put a clock in it," then it's (early years) ap1 for you.

 

hahahah so the car is so raw that the windows were made of cracking plastic and center console was bare exposed in pubic hair cloth i see.... I dunno if that's raw or ghetto. =) *poking fun*

 

LOL, if you do a poll, make sure that I can select all years as being the best.

 

I'm not sure I do feel any difference during freeway lane changes, but I'm not sure, beuase I haven't driven an AP2 on the interstate enough. It's certainly true that there is more to the turn in of the cars than the steering ratio, and the AP2 has tires and wheels that improve it's turn in and work with other changes to give the car handling that is AT LEAST the equal of the AP1's. All the cars, nay all cars, prepresent tradeoffs, and the SMALL difference in the way various MY cars doesn't make much of a difference in the character of the cars. I'm not saying that you are wrong and that there is no difference, only that it is subtle.

Further, I'm not absolutely sure that the AP1 does turn in more quickly. There is a difference in the way it settles into a turn (a hard turn, like when I'm autocrossing) that goes beyond the difference in the amount of oversteer, but I think to the extent that it might *feel* quicker, it might just be an illusion. In any event, the AP2 has steering that is quick enough to be as much fun as any AP1.

In either chassis you can drive along in a straight line, then give the steering a quick yank (which is bad driving technique, fwiw), and the front tires will bite making the car change direction almost instantly. Fact is, the WAY you turn in will make a bigger difference in the way the car responds than the chassis you're driving. Either car can be made to oversteer, or understeer, on turn in, and either can can be trail braked right up to the apex of a turn without having either end wash out.

The AP1 *may* turn in quicker under some conditions, but to the extent that it does, or even to the extent that it feels like it does, it's just a result of some changed compromises, not something that is limp in the AP2. Pick two S2kI visitors (who do not own an S2000) and put them on a track in bone stock like new cars, and AP1 and an AP2, and if the two drivers have equal skills I think everyone here knows which car would turn the quickest times. Swap the cars and the same car would be faster for both drivers, and it would be pretty odd if that car was the AP1.

Man, our AP1's break if we put R compound tires on them and autocross them too much. Does that happen with the stiffer, improved, AP2 chassis?
(I don't actually know, but it seems like a fair question.)

You may be right, and freeway lane changes might expose a difference, but do you really think it's a difference that makes or breaks the car?
I think it's just a tiny difference, if that, that people like to argue about.

 

 

Earlier somebody said that the redline was dropped due to the longer stroke, but Billman has proposed a theory that suggests other reasons for the drop in RPM. We have already seen that the F22C will happily rev to 9K, as some of our membership has put older ECU's in their F22C powered cars. Neither the extra length of the stroke nor the retainer mods cause problems when the F22C is taken to 9K. I take that as a fact because people here have done it.

There has to be some other reason for the lower redline, and I think Billman has it pegged.

Do you have any idea how quickly the engine falls off the F22C cams above 8k? Does it drop like a rock or just taper off?

 

I love the hood on your car.