Under brace comapriosn please!
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Originally Posted by OCMusicJunkie,May 22 2007, 03:18 AM
I can say with 100% certainty it's not going to make any difference on a track. What I can also say from personal experience is that on lousy road conditions, it makes the car MUCH more stable. When you're on a smooth track, I can't imagine how any sort of brace would do a lot. When you're pushing the car over uneven, cracked pavement, that's when you're going to see an impact.
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Originally Posted by ruexp67,Mar 31 2007, 10:43 AM
I've seen the results from back to back comparisons on the track. Same driver, same car, same day, same track. They drive the track without the brace, install the brace, drive the track again. Lather rinse, repeat. It made NO difference to the lap times.
Seat of the pants feel is not scientific. Lap times are.
Seat of the pants feel is not scientific. Lap times are.
I have the comptech, did it change the handling of the car? IMO Yes, no in increased lap times, but by stiffening the car you get less body roll and that make for a more comfortable drive.
I might also add, that the rear tie bar is also an important addition to the mix...
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Curious if any of the track guys who claim the x-brace doesn't work already have chassis reinforcement via welded roll cages? This would supersede a puny little x-brace.
Bottom line is a tighter chassis allows the suspension to work more efficiently. That is a fact.
Bottom line is a tighter chassis allows the suspension to work more efficiently. That is a fact.
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no I did it way before my cage. and I don't have any welded reinforements in my engine bay.
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Originally Posted by Dr. WOT,May 22 2007, 11:04 AM
Bottom line is a tighter chassis allows the suspension to work more efficiently. That is a fact.
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I have the Whiteline X-brace and the Cusco 3pc subframe.
I can't say that it makes a bit of difference.
If I imagine really, really hard... the steering feels different... more centered... what does that actually mean for performance? I have no freaking idea.
But, when you're running out of future modifications and are bored in the Winter... hey, why not.
The engineers at Honda did a great job. Nothing makes a huge difference unless we're talking some seriously hardcore modifications (welded roll cage and the like).
I can't say that it makes a bit of difference.
If I imagine really, really hard... the steering feels different... more centered... what does that actually mean for performance? I have no freaking idea.
But, when you're running out of future modifications and are bored in the Winter... hey, why not.
The engineers at Honda did a great job. Nothing makes a huge difference unless we're talking some seriously hardcore modifications (welded roll cage and the like).
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Originally Posted by S2KinVA,May 22 2007, 12:39 PM
by stiffening the car you get less body roll and that make for a more comfortable drive.
I thought roll was a function of weight transfer and roll resistance. How much grip does it take to get the S2000 to twist enough to affect roll resistance?
I guess I may just be confused, but I though a good stiff chassis just made it easier for the suspension to do it's job.
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Originally Posted by krazik,May 22 2007, 11:46 AM
so then save your money and take a driving school
Saving money.
Not interested.My free time is more limited than my money.
I like tinkering with my car in the garage at the end of the day.
If there were driving schools within 2 hours that I could attend at 9pm... I'd be there.
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OK...the roads around here are still sh*t after all the post-katrina heavy equipment tore em up. It will be YEARS before they are all decent again. So...do these x-braces make the chassis more rigid or not? If so, I suspect it will help keep the car from falling apart quite so soon and will delay the onset of some squeaks and rattles.
Not interested in lap times...just a more rigid drop-top.
I know its a honda but you should see these roads!
Not interested in lap times...just a more rigid drop-top.
I know its a honda but you should see these roads!