Myopic, that would be you. We should have a pole in this.

You do realize that you are quoting websites & magazines from the UK right?

Once again, Uehara put the F22C in the CR and the JDM Type S; the F22c would likely have needed to be inspected and passed before it could be used in Europe, hence why the UK only Ultimate edition got the F20C.

A Car and Driver article is their opinion; I subscribe to C&D, reading the letters that they get, I know that a lot of people don't necessarily agree with everything they write, which is fine! Besides, none of us ever said the F20C wasn't a good, even a great engine. Don't you realize, that's not the point of this thread.

 

Torque.

 

Yes, I realize it was a UK magazine.... but what does that have to do with it??? Talk about myopic.... Point was that the LAST special edition s2000 HONDA made had the F20c engine.... And the majority of S2000 ever made in US or elsewhere had f20c engine.

And you can try and minimize Car and Driver accolade but the F20c won many other awards and was on list of engineering websites as one of the best engines ever made..... Really an objective fact.....

40 minutes 30 seconds in and another verbalization of F20c engine as one of best ever made...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIEzFz2CPKw

I just don't get why you AP2 guys get so sensitive about that extra "inch" us AP1 guys have on our tachometers......

Oh and btw, what is a "pole" in the context you used it...???

 

Ever heard of sensationalism? Journalism is like that most of the time. Usually number 1 or 2 ends up being something most people wouldn't expect to catch their attention. Since you're sticking to C&D so religiously, need I remind you they ranked the Honda S2000 #21 on their list of 50 greatest cars of the past 20 years? Guess what was #2? Volkswagon Golf GTI. I suppose you're going to sell your Honda and buy a Golf GTI because C&D (subjectively) said so. Magazines are great if you need a feel-good story but nothing close to being objective.

Fortunately I've experienced enough cars that I don't care about what RPM my engine redlines at. It reminds me of a time when some guy I knew from high school kept on bragging about how his 99 Civic Si revs to 8k RPM, filled with technology, and blah blah blah. Left him in the dust with my Lexus family sedan. Redline is an arbitrary number. I don't care how many valves per cylinder, or how many hp per door it has. I care about how the car performs when all said and done. I would have been fine with an AP1 but most were beat up when I looked at them.

 

International Engine of the Year Awards in Germany 4 times for F20c is not "sensationalism". And quite honestly, I accept Car and Driver's accolade before anyone here's opinion... As would most logical people....

And your Golf GTI analogy is meaningless... I owned a GTI in the past and it was a great car but totally in another category. My S2000 is not my daily driver.... and the new GTI is sublime....

WTF is it with you AP2 guys that you constantly try to negate the importance of what Honda accomplished with original S2000 and the F20c....??? It always goes to why the F22 is better around town, gearing etc etc.... I get that...

What I am talking about is the fact that the F22c isn't as "special" as the F20c..... that isn't opinion..... You realize your Ap2s are the same car with tweaks don't you???

The F20c was an engineering accomplishment that your F22c shares same DNA but wouldn't have set the benchmarks as it sits..... What don't you get about that????

This is NOT sensationalism.... No such awards EVER for f22c..... No opinion... NUFF SAID....
http://hondanews.eu/eu/en/cars/media...ar-awards-2003

 

Nobody cares what Honda accomplished or what accolades it got more than a decade ago. I cared in 2003 but now 16 years later it doesn't matter. All that matters is we love and drive an s2000. Nobody cares that the AP1 is special to you because my AP2 is special to me.

Also, what you need to get in your head is that 100% of AP2 owners made a conscious choice to buy an AP2 over an AP1. True story.

 

Well... That Car and Driver article was only from a few months ago and picked the F20c as best N/A engine of all times 16 years out.... Could have picked many other engines, but why then does the F20c keep creeping into professional's minds.... Seriously why is that????Go figure....


Here is a quote I heard a ways back by another poster that is worth repeating and sums it up best......
The AP2 is a better car but the AP1 is a better S2000.

 

That's nice. I'm glad you feel lots of validation because a magazine agreed with you. Most of us decide things on our own rather than letting magazines and professionals minds decide things for us. I love the F20c but my 2008 also came with s2000 badges from the factory. Sorry to burst your bubble but it also is an s2000.

You can memorize all the accolades and prizes an AP1 got and fill up a good portion of your head and let the professionals do the thinking for you. Then make posts about it all day and not get a single person to post that they were wrong and now you have enlightened them. It's clearly working out very well for you here.

FYI, the fact stands that 100% of AP2 owners chose it over an AP1. You should remember this quote as it also sums it up best...

 

What does this statement prove? The complementary statement applies as well: 100% of AP1 owners chose it over an AP2.

Some people, like myself, only buy new cars. Or, they buy newer cars. Therefore, there wasn't an actual decision of one vs. the other. There were other factors at play. For myself, it was simply timing.

If I had bought an AP2, I would always wonder what it would be like to own and AP1. I don't wonder the opposite.

The S2000 is an extraordinary car. Over the years, the car has been enhanced to keep it special and maintain appeal to individual markets. Honda noted that the American market has larger, heavier people who are accustomed to larger displacement engines. They expect more torque from their cars, so they gave it to them.

I don't believe it made it a better car, it just made it less noteworthy.

Perhaps lightening the car and extending the redline to 10,000 RPM would have been a better move.

 

S2000 is like wine. Not everyone has the same taste. My first 03 seemed like an awful car to live with and sold it. Got an 04 and it was better. I liked the 06 even more but after a track day, decided it was too soft and got an 09 CR. It was great on the track and by now I had excepted the rough Road ride and while it felt more like a race car,it had lost some of the fun factor. It went and I bought back my original 03 and eventually installed the CR suspension. By now I realized I was driving way touch to try to maintain a low mile example and since with basic maintenance, these cars last almost forever, I got a high mile 01 and recently an 02. At thus time, the AP1 is my favourite wine.