Went from AP1 to AP2v2, some thoughts
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Originally Posted by blueprint' timestamp='1430057426' post='23591732
I have an 03 AP1 and an 08 AP2.
If i had to choose 1 it would be my 08. Its better looking, faster and more refined.
If i had to choose 1 it would be my 08. Its better looking, faster and more refined.
More refined... absolutely......"Faster".... not so much.... Maybe gearing and bump in torque gives perception, but figures are always almost identical across board.... fractions of a second doesn't constitute faster..
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I've owned all "3" versions ('01, 04, & '08):
The '01 was the most fun to drift around corners and u-turns, and had biggest band of excitement in the engine, & the quickest steering. It tempted me into thrashing it constantly
The '04 felt quicker around town, but the "fun zone" on the engine shrank. The steering was slower, the clutch was softer, and the back end didn't drift as quickly or easily as the '01. But yes, it had a bit more torque.
The '08 is the most comfortable from a daily perspective, and the added glove "compartment" has been useful. But the DBW system has already experienced a pedal position sensor failure, and I often find myself turning off the VSA while diving into corners under braking just before heel-toe downshifting - all so I can enjoy the exit. I hate that thing and hate that I have to remember to turn it off every time I start the car. I lost an autocross one day because I had to turn my car off off between runs and forgot to turn that stupid thing off. I'm hoping with the Flashpro I just kicked up I can permanently disable it, as well as lower vtec to get my full fun zone back. I've already installed an ap1 flywheel and removed the CDV, and a stiffer front Swaybar has returned ap1-like steering feel.
The '01 was the most fun to drift around corners and u-turns, and had biggest band of excitement in the engine, & the quickest steering. It tempted me into thrashing it constantly
The '04 felt quicker around town, but the "fun zone" on the engine shrank. The steering was slower, the clutch was softer, and the back end didn't drift as quickly or easily as the '01. But yes, it had a bit more torque.
The '08 is the most comfortable from a daily perspective, and the added glove "compartment" has been useful. But the DBW system has already experienced a pedal position sensor failure, and I often find myself turning off the VSA while diving into corners under braking just before heel-toe downshifting - all so I can enjoy the exit. I hate that thing and hate that I have to remember to turn it off every time I start the car. I lost an autocross one day because I had to turn my car off off between runs and forgot to turn that stupid thing off. I'm hoping with the Flashpro I just kicked up I can permanently disable it, as well as lower vtec to get my full fun zone back
. I've already installed an ap1 flywheel and removed the CDV, and a stiffer front Swaybar has returned ap1-like steering feel.I really like what you wrote regarding your '08 with FlashPro, an AP1 flywheel, stiffer front sway bar, disabled CDV. I just picked up a 2006 Laguna with 85000 miles. I also own a 2003 Suzuka with 30000 that I have had for 3 years. I love the feel of the AP1.
My question to you please-how does your 2008 now feel/drive with FlashPro, stiffer front sway, AP1 flywheel, no CDV? Does it feel/drive like an AP1? I am hoping by doing what you did to my 2006 I will have the best of both worlds-AP2 tranny/gearing/stiffer chassis with more midrange and quicker shifting like an AP1.
My name is Scott R. and I live in Denver, Colorado. Would you please email with your comments at: scott.rovner@gmail.com
Thanks very much.
Scott R
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I don't disagree that the AP2 is an "evolution" of a legendary car which the AP1 is and will always be. The refinements and tweaks in the Ap2 make it a more comfortable and easier car to drive.
However, as far as "classic" and future collectability, an AP1 with the legendary and groundbreaking F20 engine will be the more desired car 20 years from now...
This was the engine that won Engine of the year awards 4 years straight and was recently chosen by Car and Driver as the best NA Engine of all times over McClarens and Ferraris ets. It was truly and engineering marvel....
Old news here, but the magnitude of what Honda accomplished with the original AP1 gets lost in all these debates. The AP2 is only a great car because it is 95% an Ap1... The Ap2 isn't a redesign... It is an evolution of the original....
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I went from an 08 S2000 CR to an 03 AP1.
One thing about the AP1 is it makes me want to ring it out and really push that engine to 9k every single time. My brain is screaming to shift but when i look down at the tach i still have another 1000rpm to go. The car is special... All S2000's are special.
One thing about the AP1 is it makes me want to ring it out and really push that engine to 9k every single time. My brain is screaming to shift but when i look down at the tach i still have another 1000rpm to go. The car is special... All S2000's are special.
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The F20C is a great engine, the F22C isn't any less advanced, it's simply a stroked version which means they had to limit revs to keep piston speeds down. But it's not cheaper or less developed, quite the contrary. Different than the Mezger engine crowd with Porsche vs the 9A1 or M97.
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The F20C is a great engine, the F22C isn't any less advanced, it's simply a stroked version which means they had to limit revs to keep piston speeds down. But it's not cheaper or less developed, quite the contrary. Different than the Mezger engine crowd with Porsche vs the 9A1 or M97.
It's the same "shoe, different size"... The point is that the F20c was the engineering marvel when it was released. Set records for HP to Liter and 9K limits.
Hence this accolade....
http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook...es-of-all-time
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It's the same "shoe, different size"... The point is that the F20c was the engineering marvel when it was released. Set records for HP to Liter and 9K limits.
Hence this accolade....
http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook...es-of-all-time
Hence this accolade....
http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook...es-of-all-time
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Originally Posted by Lazyrider69' timestamp='1456699688' post='23893771
It's the same "shoe, different size"... The point is that the F20c was the engineering marvel when it was released. Set records for HP to Liter and 9K limits.
Hence this accolade....
http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook...es-of-all-time
It is your not "you're by the way....
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Originally Posted by electricmarauder' timestamp='1456702688' post='23893818
[quote name='Lazyrider69' timestamp='1456699688' post='23893771']
It's the same "shoe, different size"... The point is that the F20c was the engineering marvel when it was released. Set records for HP to Liter and 9K limits.
Hence this accolade....
http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook...es-of-all-time
It's the same "shoe, different size"... The point is that the F20c was the engineering marvel when it was released. Set records for HP to Liter and 9K limits.
Hence this accolade....
http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook...es-of-all-time
It is your not "you're by the way....
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"You're" btw.