Not trying to compare performace levels of different cars or get into a pissing contest with you, but you said that an S2000 was a way better track car than a Civic, and that all depends on the particular S2000 and Civic we're talking about.

We weren't talking about anyone's penis either, but if you're fixated on such things, there are more appropriate forums than S2kI.

BTW, I know you probably realize this, but it takes more than a bunch of aftermarket parts to get most cars to handle better than an S2000.

 

Where in upstate NY? That's a pretty big claim that you've never seen an S2 as prepped or as fast at the track . . . a lot of guys here have dropped some big $$.

 

12 parsecs

 

I just sold my civic 10.28@144mph. It's still a civic. While i loved that car it will never be an S2K. S2000 is not fast but it's a great all around car

 

What tracks to you go to? What are some of your lap times?

And Red...I think this is his car:



OK Chris...sorry...gonna call BS that you haven't seen an s2k that could keep up with your Civic in the turns.

Went and checked Nats results for the past few years and it seems that the fastest Stock S2k has been faster than you the last 3 years out of 4. Now I don't recall the run schedule, so maybe weather played a role on different days.

But at the '05 Toledo Tour, the quickest Stock s2k was only .35 sec slower on Saturday and was .33 sec quicker on Sunday.

And that was Stock vs SM. But you're right...no Nats level driver has bothered to seriously prep an s2k for BSP or SM2...but even if it were prepped to just BSP standards, I think your car would be a good bit slower.

 

I made it in less than 12 parsecs....

 

Looks like the chassis is working pretty well. Reminds me of cornering the old 128 on three wheels.

Maybe I'm just too easy, but the way I interpreted the S2000/Civic statement I don't think I can call BS. When I read the comment I assumed that he was talking about a totally stock S2000, and nobody at the nationals is really totally stock, because at a minimum, they have R compound tires. I can't be sure looking at the picture, but if he's running R-comps (which aren't really "stock") on the Civic, it is going to outcorner any S2000 running on OEM tires. He'll easily pull a full G with the right tires.
I think that's what he was trying to say, and if so, it's not an unbelievable claim at all.

You can make an Opel Kadette pull over a G with the right tires and mods.

It seems to me that simply looking at steady state cornering numbers is potentially misleading, because there is very little steady state cornering involved in racing or autocrossing. Just because a car can pull over a G does not necessarily mean that it is a good handling car, and a foul handling car with lots of grip can be a handful (and sometimes downright scary). It seems possible that a Civic that produces higher grip still might not turn faster times on the track or autocross course.
Doesn't that seem reasonable?

Since I don't post my own data logs I hate to say this, but I'd like to see some kind of data from the Civic in question. If it pulls 0.91G or better then it will corner with or outcorner a stock (all OEM) S2000.

Anyway, I don't see why grip is such a big deal, because it's primarily a function of the tires. If you want a big increase in grip, you go to more aggressive tires, and it's a done deal, until you get well over 1 G. Of course, to get the car to work well with the additional grip, you're going to have to make other changes. Lots of cars deliver more grip than an S2000 running OEM tires, but that doesn't take anything away from the S2000 driving experience, which is unique, and IMO, what the car is all about. Yea, it would be cool if the car could pull 2.5 G's and had 1000 WHP, but it is what it is, and most of us wouldn't own the car if it didn't suit us.

IOW, why does anyone care how hard a modified Civic corners?

 

[QUOTE=negcamber,Dec 31 2007, 11:00 AM]
OK Chris...sorry...gonna call BS that you haven't seen an s2k that could keep up with your Civic in the turns.

 

Nice setup, and a VERY respectable car.

 

Wow this topic got way off track.

I dont see anything wrong with going down the 1/4 for recreation every once in a while. I'm curious myself as to what people run in their S2000's.