If you pay by credit card and have a dispute...call the credit card company and refuse payment until cleared up. This is why it is important to pay by credit card as the card company will arbitrate the dispute.

Anyone can use this advice, not just for this thread.

LL

 

So I'm automotive know nothing huh. You don't know me do you? Wear out was not precise, putting wear on would be better. Again, as others have said, its the principle. Let's say you wreck that car and f'up the headers. Fairly bad situation that couldn't happen if you'd lived up to your end of a business agreement. I'd say your a business know nothing.

 

Now Vapor, you are being just ignorant.

I think you guys should all but out of this and send your comments and suggestions to Krazil in email. I don't think it is good to promote an argument on here.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Low-S2000:
[B]I think you guys should all but out of this and send your comments and suggestions to Krazil in email.

 

Vapor Trail - not too busy to take your money, Krazik, just too busy to give you what you paid for. VaporTrail, too busy working his magic at his shop, then too busy going home, having dinner, drinking a beer, watching TV, and whatever, but he doesn't have the couple of hours to remove your part from his car. After all, KraziK, VaporTrail likes those headers. They sound and go better than stock. Why should he take the time to degrade the performance of his car ... oh you think just because you paid him a lot of money for his hardly but increasingly used headers, you think he should put himself out even a little bit and give you what you paid for?

I also love the comments from those folks who ask, what's the big deal? It should happen to them. In any case, you're absolutely right to be pissed off. In the law, it is called "conversion," the unauthorized use or the unauthorized exercise of dominion or control, by one of the personal property of another. He is using your personal property without your permission. It is an intentional tort which would support, in most English speaking jurisdictions, an award of punitive damages. It is a flagrant disregard of your rights.

What happens if Vapor Trail totals his car and your headers? Who bears the risk of loss? What excuse do you think he would give if the headers are damaged. "So what man?" or "Get over it"! "I can't afford to refund you money man, because I need to put it into my Civic!" What a churl.

2x6spds

 

I think this is an excellent subject to discuss on this forum. Many of us have or will purchase accessories/parts for our cars from individuals on this board and I think it is important for us to understand what role the buyer and seller has in these transactions. The buyer

 

John,

You made the deal, took the money, and now expect Krazik to cut you some slack because it is inconvenient for you to remove the headers. This is crap. Your failure to live up to your obligation, and your comments regarding your reputation, pretty much tell it all. I've fired better people than you.

 

I certainly have to agree with krazik on this one. Once payment has been made, the part belongs to him. It's not so much that a few days of use will really put wear on the headers, it's the principle of the situation. If someone requests that you do not use their property, it should be left at that, period. It certainly is a poor display on VT's part, IMO.

 

I recall a case in law school where a guy bought a car at a dealership. When he went to pick it up, the dealership wouldn't give him the keys. IIRC, the dealership was ordered to pay him the full fair market value of the car, AND he was given possession of the car. Can someone back me up on this? It's been bothering me ever since I slept through that lecture in law school.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sunchild:
[B] I recall a case in law school where a guy bought a car at a dealership.