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Originally posted by RicePimp
Regarding the engine placement as a factor, there have been other cars with the engine mounted in front, but behind the front axles before without having twitchy handling. Keep in mind the many other variables that can make a car twitchy and prone to snap oversteer. Some that come to mind are: short wheelbase, stiff suspension/roll rates, lower roll center, bump steer in the front or back, wider tires, and low CG... pretty much any other chassis adjustment will have some kind of effect on how suddenly and quickly the back can come around. Also whether the s2000 is mid-engined is a matter of definition, but mid-engine or not, the weight still isn't anywhere near as close to the CG in the s2000 as it is in most traditional, behind the driver mid-engine layouts. So obviously the handling quirks aren't just because of the angular inertia, otherwise every mid engined car would be as bad or worse when it comes to controlling spins. I think everything that people have theorized in this thread and previous ones are all probably contributing factors, without any one thing being a dominant cause. The unique design of the car is what makes it fun and if Honda had 'fixed' the car from the factory it could have taken away from the very individual handling. I personally respect Honda for releasing a car that didn't sacrifice a potential safety hazard for the fun factor.
Regarding the engine placement as a factor, there have been other cars with the engine mounted in front, but behind the front axles before without having twitchy handling. Keep in mind the many other variables that can make a car twitchy and prone to snap oversteer. Some that come to mind are: short wheelbase, stiff suspension/roll rates, lower roll center, bump steer in the front or back, wider tires, and low CG... pretty much any other chassis adjustment will have some kind of effect on how suddenly and quickly the back can come around. Also whether the s2000 is mid-engined is a matter of definition, but mid-engine or not, the weight still isn't anywhere near as close to the CG in the s2000 as it is in most traditional, behind the driver mid-engine layouts. So obviously the handling quirks aren't just because of the angular inertia, otherwise every mid engined car would be as bad or worse when it comes to controlling spins. I think everything that people have theorized in this thread and previous ones are all probably contributing factors, without any one thing being a dominant cause. The unique design of the car is what makes it fun and if Honda had 'fixed' the car from the factory it could have taken away from the very individual handling. I personally respect Honda for releasing a car that didn't sacrifice a potential safety hazard for the fun factor.
hmmm.... i haven't had much problems with my car in the rain or cold....and I live in oregon. It has been raining costantly for the last 2 weeks. I commonly run my car to 9k in first and power shift into second which sends my sliding side to side .....you can hold the gas as long as you want....car just goes one way and you can correct with the steering. The only problem i have had was in september when it had been sunny for like 30 days and then in rained.....holy carp!!
The oil was giving me fits.
If you are having problems on cold days....just spin the tires a bit...warms em right up. As far as water goes i have driven on freeways just covered with freaking water and have no hydroplaing problems at all. The only issue was when there was like 5 inches of standing water, but it was more graceful then my friends mercury sable or my old volvo with all season tires. True, it isn't as stable as a new camry or something (maybe..maybe it is....i'm not sure), but compare it 405HP monster like the Z06. The S2k below v-tec is a baby compared to that. If you don' want to spin in the rain...you don't need to most of the time....just stay out of the v-tec till it clears up. And, like all RWD cars....if you mash the throttle in the rain around a corner....well....i hope you like smashed metal, glass, leather and plastic
My oem S02's have 9300 miles on them....and i couldn't be happier with there bad weather manners and good weather grip. I'm looking at the A032's next.....in oregon...hehe....what can i say...i like pushing my luck!!
The oil was giving me fits.If you are having problems on cold days....just spin the tires a bit...warms em right up. As far as water goes i have driven on freeways just covered with freaking water and have no hydroplaing problems at all. The only issue was when there was like 5 inches of standing water, but it was more graceful then my friends mercury sable or my old volvo with all season tires. True, it isn't as stable as a new camry or something (maybe..maybe it is....i'm not sure), but compare it 405HP monster like the Z06. The S2k below v-tec is a baby compared to that. If you don' want to spin in the rain...you don't need to most of the time....just stay out of the v-tec till it clears up. And, like all RWD cars....if you mash the throttle in the rain around a corner....well....i hope you like smashed metal, glass, leather and plastic

My oem S02's have 9300 miles on them....and i couldn't be happier with there bad weather manners and good weather grip. I'm looking at the A032's next.....in oregon...hehe....what can i say...i like pushing my luck!!
my S2000 did the rear end spin thing this July 27th going 55mph in a 70mph zone .. instantly the rear began to spin in a clockwise rotation .. until it met a bridge retaining wall
Honda is responsible for coming up with a solution to this one ... it's our problem, but it is their responsibilty!
Honda is responsible for coming up with a solution to this one ... it's our problem, but it is their responsibilty!
I have to agree with most of what's been said. The only time I've had a spin was when I pushed to hard in damp conditions when the tires were cold. Driver error is the single most cause of accidents. Bieg, I totally agree with you here. Conditions dictate drivers response and it's not always the best response. What's the old saying, "sh*t happens" well only when there is an excessive input from the driver.
Cheers
Jeff
Cheers
Jeff
[QUOTE][B]bebahru
my S2000 did the rear end spin thing this July 27th going 55mph in a 70mph zone .. instantly the rear began to spin in a clockwise rotation .. until it met a bridge retaining wall
my S2000 did the rear end spin thing this July 27th going 55mph in a 70mph zone .. instantly the rear began to spin in a clockwise rotation .. until it met a bridge retaining wall
seriously are people having this much trouble with their S2000 in the rain?? I drive mine in vtec constantly in the rain. I mean i dont' go into a sharp corner at 6k and punch it...ok i do, but only if it is a slow corner not a fast sweeper
Maybe i am just good at driving in the rain from living in this rainy piece of a$$ I call oregon!!
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Maybe i am just good at driving in the rain from living in this rainy piece of a$$ I call oregon!!
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many of you fail to see the points that are made on these spin outs time and time again on this site --- they can and do happen when driving under the speed limit- not pushing the car-and doing nothing but having two hands on the steering wheel-- when it happens to you, your mind will be changed. In my case, I had driven the road nearly 100 times in the S2000 during a year and a half -- the spin came instantly -- the weather was warm and the car had been on the road an hour-- some of you do not have to deal with wet and poorly designed rural roads --- it's interesting that the S2000 is one of only a few designs with this problem ... daily drivers, like me, are not pushing these cars ... it was posted earlier that a Miata made it through a situation that caused a S2000 to spin ... I know this will not change minds of those of you who consider the S2000 an icon --- but these words come from real life experience from one who has been driving since 1964.
I drove through the mountains of North Carolina doing anywhere fron 80-90mph in heavy rain running through very sharp curves and twists (most with banked inclines though). My wife can attest to this- she was very nervous on the drive.
The car did just fine and performed as expected. I had tires with only a couple thousand miles on them.
bebahru- I don't believe you mentioned whether the road was wet and how long you had been traveling before this occurred and how old your tires were. Cold is one factor for dry accidents. Wet is a factor for warm accidents. And the S02's treadlife is very short with its practical treadlife for water driving degrading after about 7000-9000 miles.
-B
The car did just fine and performed as expected. I had tires with only a couple thousand miles on them.
bebahru- I don't believe you mentioned whether the road was wet and how long you had been traveling before this occurred and how old your tires were. Cold is one factor for dry accidents. Wet is a factor for warm accidents. And the S02's treadlife is very short with its practical treadlife for water driving degrading after about 7000-9000 miles.
-B
During the summer we often hold autocross and speed trial events in the tropical rain that we have down here. It's very interesting to explore the limits of this car in these relatively safe conditions. Wet grip is a lot higher than I would have imagined when warm. But, when standing water is present, be extra careful. I have experienced "snap" oversteer when one rear tire hydroplaned causing the one tire with grip to whip the back of the car around. It happens in an instant. BYW, the car's anti-lock brakes are very effective when travelling backwards at 55 mph
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When driving on the highways during summer tropicall downpours I slow WAY down. 45 mph seems like the magical number that allows car conrtrol even through standing water. Even then, stay alert. All it takes is a little oil mixed with the water to create extremely slippery conditions.
IMO, Miatas may be better in the wet due to their less wide tires and lower HP.
.When driving on the highways during summer tropicall downpours I slow WAY down. 45 mph seems like the magical number that allows car conrtrol even through standing water. Even then, stay alert. All it takes is a little oil mixed with the water to create extremely slippery conditions.
IMO, Miatas may be better in the wet due to their less wide tires and lower HP.




