Why is it that there are so many...
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 58,680
Likes: 2
From: West Henrietta UPSTATE NY
Great thread everybody!
Originally posted by Jimmy325
What do you all think about an increase in the diameter of the front sway bar?
Originally posted by Jimmy325
If the SO2s are the culprit of high speed over water, hydroplaning, and if the suspension setup is not predictable for the "average" driver who hasn't spent much time on the track or autocross courses, then what are the few ways or things that can be done to the car to make it a bit more predictable. Any ideas? I've heard X brace mentioned earlier.
Thread Starter
Registered User
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 334
Likes: 0
From: Austin
Triple H,
I knew this was going to be a good thread.. hahaha.. I could feel it inside that's why I posted.. hehe. Jk.
Anyway, from my understanding, a thicker front sway bar would stiffen up the front a bit more, which means now you are dialing in some understeer. I guess that would be a solution huh?
I was also wondering why the Xbrace would work... because it creates more warning and feel to the driver?
Oh, also, how come you are taking delivery in April? You placed your order a month ago right? Is the delivery time typically 7 months or is it because you wanted to get the car then to escape the winter snow and bad weather?
Jimmy
I knew this was going to be a good thread.. hahaha.. I could feel it inside that's why I posted.. hehe. Jk.
Anyway, from my understanding, a thicker front sway bar would stiffen up the front a bit more, which means now you are dialing in some understeer. I guess that would be a solution huh?
I was also wondering why the Xbrace would work... because it creates more warning and feel to the driver?
Oh, also, how come you are taking delivery in April? You placed your order a month ago right? Is the delivery time typically 7 months or is it because you wanted to get the car then to escape the winter snow and bad weather?
Jimmy
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,610
Likes: 1
From: Clearlake, CA
One thing that has been touched upon, but not really discussed, is that every driver is going to have different driving habbits, abilities, and preferences.
So, for some an S03 may be a better tire over the stock SO2. In the same vein a stiffer sway bar might help one driver while causing problems for another.
So, as to possible ways to improve things, my opinion is that each driver needs to test several possibilities. Obviously that is not practicle, but it would be good to have 10 or so drivers on a track with a few cars. Each car would start stock and then all drivers would test all cars with one mod at a time, and maybe work up to several mods at once. This would require a lot of cooperation, trust, and a full day at a track w/equipment for installation/removal of the mods. But, at the end you would have a "general" idea of the results. Ideally, the track would be able to provide a "wet" area, an "oily" area and a "sandy" area since these are the most common ways average drivers unexpectedly loose control (ie, going beyond the limits of their driving ability).
One last comment on driving ability; when I talk about this I think of it in two terms; general ability and ability at the exact moment where action is required. An excellent driver who is distracted when hitting unexpected sand around a turn may not have the ability, at that time, to control the car. 100% attention to driving is very underrated, IMO.
So, for some an S03 may be a better tire over the stock SO2. In the same vein a stiffer sway bar might help one driver while causing problems for another.
So, as to possible ways to improve things, my opinion is that each driver needs to test several possibilities. Obviously that is not practicle, but it would be good to have 10 or so drivers on a track with a few cars. Each car would start stock and then all drivers would test all cars with one mod at a time, and maybe work up to several mods at once. This would require a lot of cooperation, trust, and a full day at a track w/equipment for installation/removal of the mods. But, at the end you would have a "general" idea of the results. Ideally, the track would be able to provide a "wet" area, an "oily" area and a "sandy" area since these are the most common ways average drivers unexpectedly loose control (ie, going beyond the limits of their driving ability).
One last comment on driving ability; when I talk about this I think of it in two terms; general ability and ability at the exact moment where action is required. An excellent driver who is distracted when hitting unexpected sand around a turn may not have the ability, at that time, to control the car. 100% attention to driving is very underrated, IMO.
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 58,680
Likes: 2
From: West Henrietta UPSTATE NY
Hey Jimmy! The thread is great because it was started in Upstate New York! 
My thought- one easy way to dial out a bit of oversteer is to dial in a bit of understeer. A stiffer bar on the front would do that.
As far as the Xbrace being reported to reduce oversteer that is something I would have to contemplate for a while, I can see how it might in a subtle way. One thing I do firmly believe is that the Xbrace does a lot to reduce the amount of flex there is in the front frame section. I think the X-brace out to be an upgrade added to all cars.
The story on April is I don't want the car before then because I will not be driving it in the snow, I own a 4x4 truck for that! To be sure of getting the car in April I needed to be on the February order/allotment because the dealer said plan on about 6 to 8 weeks for delivery. I put down money last month because Holtz has a February allotment of 2 cars they can count on without question and someone else was already on that month because they did not want their car delivered when it was snowing.
My thought- one easy way to dial out a bit of oversteer is to dial in a bit of understeer. A stiffer bar on the front would do that.
As far as the Xbrace being reported to reduce oversteer that is something I would have to contemplate for a while, I can see how it might in a subtle way. One thing I do firmly believe is that the Xbrace does a lot to reduce the amount of flex there is in the front frame section. I think the X-brace out to be an upgrade added to all cars.
The story on April is I don't want the car before then because I will not be driving it in the snow, I own a 4x4 truck for that! To be sure of getting the car in April I needed to be on the February order/allotment because the dealer said plan on about 6 to 8 weeks for delivery. I put down money last month because Holtz has a February allotment of 2 cars they can count on without question and someone else was already on that month because they did not want their car delivered when it was snowing.
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 894
Likes: 0
From: :spam:u
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jschmidt
[B]The skater spins faster because they started with outstretched arms in a kind of flywheel effect. They would not spin faster if they started curled up. They use arms, a leg and upper body to build rotational speed.
[B]The skater spins faster because they started with outstretched arms in a kind of flywheel effect. They would not spin faster if they started curled up. They use arms, a leg and upper body to build rotational speed.
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 18,759
Likes: 0
From: Wheeler Army Airfield, HI
Don't know if any of you guys have seen this or not. Any feedback???
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?...&threadid=34882
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?...&threadid=34882
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 2,708
Likes: 0
From: Laurel
Originally posted by Jimmy325
let's move on, anyone have alternatives to solving this issue and problems other than skills?"
Jimmy
let's move on, anyone have alternatives to solving this issue and problems other than skills?"
Jimmy
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 58,680
Likes: 2
From: West Henrietta UPSTATE NY
http://www.s2000online.com/forums/showthre...?threadid=35194
Check it out for other ideas on how to adjust the situation.
Check it out for other ideas on how to adjust the situation.