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Old 03-01-2014, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by cosmomiller
Originally Posted by Car Analogy' timestamp='1393029259' post='23027776
For those still not understanding the physics of hydrolocking, it occurs because water is not compressable.

Water does not compress. Its 'hydraulic'. Unlike air, it can't be forced to take up less space when pressure is applied to it.

You don't want it in your cylinders.
Practically speaking, yes you are correct. However, water does contract a little as it approaches freezing and high pressure can also induce compressibility; at 150 atmospheres water will compress a little less than 1%. Quantum mechanics has not produced verifiable compression that certain theories say should occur.

Bottom line: I am keeping my intake stock and sleeping soundly listening to the rain outside.
But expands 9% as it forms a solid when freezing.
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Not for nothing guys, but the AEM V2 seems like more trouble than its worth..just my opinion..
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Ya know I'm sure there is a way to modify the elbow to drain the water out if it collects there. Adding a drain hose or installing a duckbill check valve would be easy. Not really Aem's fault there really isn't a much better way to make that pipe without cutting parts away. Either way it doesn't help this engine.
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You guys scared me, I read this topic last night and I couldnt sleep thinking about my pipe inhaling all the water and hydro locking my car. I even had a nightmare that had happened .
To complete my restless night, before even visiting the restroom, I went and opened the hood checked and luckily my CAI sits farther into the bumper (smaller filter too) were the fog light assembly goes, so that hole s2000ellier was demonstrating with the ratchet and extender doesn't doesn't necessarily apply to me. Hell I even started my car, it seemed it was in a deep sleep since I hadn't used it for a day and a half due to SoCal rain (i know laugh it up) and its colder (laugh some more) so I know that was the cause for that start up today.

Even though this was a nightmare to read and have literally, I learned new stuff and Ill probably put some tape on that hole for extra measure. Despite all the rain the area around that hole and the hole itself was dry.

Off topic, yes, just sharing my 2¢ since the OPs issue started with a AEM CAI.

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Originally Posted by SouthDakotaS2K
Ya know I'm sure there is a way to modify the elbow to drain the water out if it collects there. Adding a drain hose or installing a duckbill check valve would be easy. Not really Aem's fault there really isn't a much better way to make that pipe without cutting parts away. Either way it doesn't help this engine.
Again, all but the earliest AEM V2's have the duckbill valve. If you have the valve there is no issue. If you have a CAI that doesn't have the bend in the elbow where the tube sits at a lower level than the filter, you don't have a problem. When it rains, disconnect the downpipe and put a short ram filter on as I showed in the picture above. Relax guys.
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Originally Posted by Billman250
Originally Posted by blasphemy101' timestamp='1392662497' post='23019868
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Hydrolock due to the aem v2, guaranteed.
Obviously, you have much more experience than I do, but I'd disagree and say you won't know the cause until you get the motor out and pulled apart.
I say guaranteed as I've seen it first hand and know what causes it. Just open the butterfly. If you see water, there's the answer.

Any car that sits (especially for weeks in the rain) with an AEM style intake has a very good chance of this happening.
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way back when I was younger,we used to clean,(decoke ) engines,by slowly pouring the equivalent of a coke bottle of water in the carb,while keeping the revs around 2500 rpm's;never had a problem!!!
Can you explain why?
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The detonation of the water breaks up the carbon. When pouring slowly into a running motor at 2500 rpm (1 tsp per two seconds or so), the amount of water that enters the chamber in each firing stroke is never more than the chamber size itself.

Please do not try this at home.

We actually had a Ford Escort with a rod knock in my old shop many years ago where I used to work.

A Ford guru who worked with me said it was carbon on the piston top, hitting the cyl head, and water detonating would cure it. He was right. He did it right in front of me and I couldn't believe it.

In the case of the OP, a large gulp of water is sucked up all at once.
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Thanks,Bill.
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Originally Posted by Billman250
The detonation of the water breaks up the carbon.

A Ford guru who worked with me said it was carbon on the piston top, hitting the cyl head, and water detonating would cure it. He was right. He did it right in front of me and I couldn't believe it.
I can see carbon building up in antique cars with old school gas but I am mystified that newer cars would build up so much carbon as to interfere with running. I remember my old man flooring his cars from time to time saying he was "cleaning out the carbon".

When I changed out plugs in my S, Tacoma, and 94 Thunderbird's V8, I checked the cylinders with a flexible shaft LED borescope and every cylinder was pretty clean.

What the hell is this carbon thing?
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This problem was specific to the Ford 1.9L or 2.0L 4 cyl I don't remember.

The piston top to head clearance was very slim, and a little bit of carbon causes the piston to smack the cylinder head.
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