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Old Oct 24, 2018 | 05:19 AM
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its like saying the engine uses more gasoline if you run 5w40 vs 5w30. I can confirm thats not the case...
Manufacturers went from the near universal 10W-30 to 0W-20 engine oil circa 2007 to meet US fuel economy standards.

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Old Oct 24, 2018 | 05:48 AM
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0W-30 really works in very cold climates. I drive my 2007 Honda Element up to the Sierra every winter. And on those mornings well below freezing (like minus F) --- the engine starts much easier with 0W-30, than with the original 10W-30 I had in it -- when it was new.

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Old Oct 24, 2018 | 04:23 PM
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I know why I went with M1 75/140, and that is the rear end ran hotter in the S than my truck did running 65 mph weighing 80,000 lbs. We got our '06 S back in '10 and that was one of the first things I checked with my infrared heat sensor. I was very surprised at how hot it got on our long drives up in the mountains. Even just running down the freeway at 70 to 80 mph in the valley, it(rear end) got hotter than my other three vehicles by quite a bit.

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Old Oct 24, 2018 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by simons
okay thats a theoretic downside. But I highly doubt this small difference in viscosity will cause a relevant mpg change. Lets say you average 25 mpg. Do you think it will drop down to 24 or 23? Just from this tiny difference?

its like saying the engine uses more gasoline if you run 5w40 vs 5w30. I can confirm thats not the case...
Thicker engine oil will reduce mpg. How much of a reduction is hard to quantify without tests but in my experience the 5W30 oil nets a few more miles off a tank compared to the 5W40. The 5W40's oil film is more robust than the 5W30 at operating temp providing more protection for the internals. Motul even says that it will improve power and acceleration. By how much? Hard to quantify but again in my experience both my cars feel a little bit stronger with the 5W40 in their engines. Both oil weights cSt's are more than high enough to keep the bearings/engine happy though.
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Old Oct 25, 2018 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RolanTHUNDER
One downside would be higher fuel consumption due to the thicker fluid demanding more engine power to turn the diff. Might be a negligible difference when compared to a lighter oil but a difference nonetheless. He mentioned "le mans" because he's trying to illustrate that unless you're running gruelling endurance racing like that where the fluid is under much more strain and lighter fluids can oxidise or thin out too much due to the heat, the 75W140 oil will hold up longer.
Yep, that is what I was trying to say Just to add to the point above, there is no mechanical downside of using SAE140 but there is no gain either. I wonder if it will even get hot enough under normal use to come alive, I will check on best operating temp for SAE140.

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Old Oct 25, 2018 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Opie Oils
75w-140 will be fine but totally unnecessary unless you are planning to race Le Mans 24hr or do a track day in Death Valley.

Cheers, Guy
I'll be sure to schedule a track day at Death Valley to get my $17.32's worth... (or maybe just Buttonwillow next summer).

I could have contacted an Amsoil dealer and paid more for 75w110 and probably have to wait longer to get it.

RE: M1 75w90, there seems to be debate whether it is too thin for hard driving due to the 75 rating.
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Old Oct 25, 2018 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Opie Oils
Yep, that is what I was trying to say

Cheers,

Guy
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Old Oct 26, 2018 | 10:59 PM
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Is this debate still going on? For those people that don't know and are reading this thread, S2KPUDDYDAD is probably the pre-eminent authority on our differential; he's like the god-father of differentials. This is what he has to say.

Originally Posted by S2KPUDDYDAD
SpitfireS is the go to guy when it comes to lubricants. Marc has been a great help to me and many others over the years

75/110 or 75/140 are both fine to use. 75/110 for the daily driver and 75/140 for built rears and track use. Amsoil is my top choice
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Originally Posted by S2KPUDDYDAD
The factory put straight 90w in the differential when new. The nearest to factory spec is LE 1605 or a 75/110
For added protection and better performance from the LSD use a 75/140 There is no disadvantage to using the 75/140 at all Amsoil, Mobil1, LE-1605, and Motul are some of the best on the market.

If any of you run a aftermarket clutch type LSD in the rear use the Motul 75/140 this oil is by far the very best I have used for clutch type LSD units

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Old Oct 29, 2018 | 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Vitt
I'll be sure to schedule a track day at Death Valley to get my $17.32's worth... (or maybe just Buttonwillow next summer).

I could have contacted an Amsoil dealer and paid more for 75w110 and probably have to wait longer to get it.

RE: M1 75w90, there seems to be debate whether it is too thin for hard driving due to the 75 rating.
The 75w part should not make any difference as that is just the cold viscosity, when up to temp it will be running as an SAE90 and the SHC comes in at 15.1cst at 100deg so not the thickest SAE90 out there but no reason why it would be an issue.

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Old Oct 29, 2018 | 05:10 AM
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I'm still surprised how many guys still don't understand multigrade lubricants. The stuff could be 0W-90 and still be good. Not sure it's possible to engineer this grade and make it affordable though.

Multi-grade oil has only been available commercially for roughly 50 years so it's understandable the information hasn't yet filtered down to some.

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