Oh I see how it is

You flash a bunch of numbers up there and then expect us to believe you!! j/k

 

CBJ is correct, that is the information I was given when e-mailing spoon, though there english is not so good, so they could have misunderstood me, and I them. The "kit"would be about 9k or so.
The $11,000 crate motor is actually a balanced blueprinted JDM motor- no or very few Spoon parts, only Spoon work, and the HP is about 275 from what I understand. You add about 8k to that to get a high compression version, so about 20k for a 320 hp motor. Well for that amount you could build a 500 hp FI motor, and have it sooner than Spoon could ever get you a crate motor. All I know is, that after looking into it, it seems a little much, for not much gain. IMO

 

I know a few guys that have purchased spoon crate motors for Civics they were building. Lets just say, for the amount of $$ they spent, it was not a wise choice.

Ryan

 

I think we have to wait for Toda to have something to compare Spoon with. I don't think 9K would be ridiculous to obtain 60 NA HP ($150 per pony), but 20K for 80 HP is a little strong at $250 per pony. Plenty of life left in these pistons and heads, let's wait for all the options to unfold.

 

I completely agree. I'd also like to point out that when it comes to the aftermarket, Made in Japan does not necessarily mean it is better than Made in America. Yes, the car came from Japan, and the average Japanese car is of better quality than the average US car, but that doesn't necessarily translate to the aftermarket. Of course Spoon makes awesome stuff, but you are really paying for it. There will be some awesome stuff coming available for the S2000 from members of this board, stuff that would make Spoon proud. And it will be at a much reduced cost.

Patience . . .

 

Couple things.

1. 100 lbs-ft/liter NA is not impossible. While we know F1 engines are right around that level, perhaps a bit lower, they are not necessarily the best example to compare. First, they don't run very high compression, nor do they run particularly high octane gas (sub 100 octane). They are designed for a very broad torque curve and they have to be able to breathe at very high rpms. That can compromise peak torque. There have been race motors in recent years (particularly some BMW engines in production car based series) that have been able to put out about 100 lbs-ft/liter. We also know that bone stock liter bikes are now approaching 80 lbs-ft/liter at the wheel and can exceed that with tuning. The real key will be compression though, and it will probably make pump gas a non-option for fueling. Oh, just thought of another example. 2.0 liter touring car, 320 hp @ 8500 rpm = 197 lbs-ft.

2. I agree with Ryan about Spoon crate engines. I've seen a couple on the track and the dyno and I was not impressed. Not that the results were bad, but they could have been achieved for a quarter of what Spoon charged from one of several builders here in the U.S.

3. Current 2.0 liter drag engines in import racing are producing in the vicinity of 300-320 crank hp on high octane fuel, spinning them to about 10,000 rpm. Obviously these guys haven't quite figured out what the touring car guys know, but they're also having to use the B-series head. Assuming normally aspirated engines, the B18C5 head is not going to make a whole lot more than 330-340 hp without wholesale changes to the architecture of the head. The F20C is a new head, incorporating some new features and a lot more flow capacity. Something to consider.

BTW, I'll have pictures of the stock head and valves available on Monday.

UL

 

If you get all those Spoon parts, will you change your user name?