UTH changes on the 06 S2000
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Originally Posted by WayneTeK,Jan 6 2006, 03:10 PM
wut does CDV do?
It is a restrictor port that limits how fast the hydraulic fluid can return to the clutch master cylinder when the driver lets his foot off the clutch peddle. It doesn't really do anything during normal driving. What it does do, is keep the clutch from slamming together if the driver does a clutch drop, that's sliding your foot off the peddle when it's already on the floor and just letting it go in case you didn't already know.
The CDV is Honda's reaction to those folks, of which there seem to have been many, who get their jollys out of abusing the car in ways that end up destroying transmissions and rear ends. Unfortunately, it also interferes with those who like to drive aggressively, but properly, when shifting fast. It cause unwanted clutch slippage under certain situations and that's why there are so many who have taken the time and trouble to disable this "feature."
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Originally Posted by Intrepid175,Jan 6 2006, 07:08 PM
CDV = Clutch Delay Valve
It is a restrictor port that limits how fast the hydraulic fluid can return to the clutch master cylinder when the driver lets his foot off the clutch peddle. It doesn't really do anything during normal driving. What it does do, is keep the clutch from slamming together if the driver does a clutch drop, that's sliding your foot off the peddle when it's already on the floor and just letting it go in case you didn't already know.
The CDV is Honda's reaction to those folks, of which there seem to have been many, who get their jollys out of abusing the car in ways that end up destroying transmissions and rear ends. Unfortunately, it also interferes with those who like to drive aggressively, but properly, when shifting fast. It cause unwanted clutch slippage under certain situations and that's why there are so many who have taken the time and trouble to disable this "feature."
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Steve R.
It is a restrictor port that limits how fast the hydraulic fluid can return to the clutch master cylinder when the driver lets his foot off the clutch peddle. It doesn't really do anything during normal driving. What it does do, is keep the clutch from slamming together if the driver does a clutch drop, that's sliding your foot off the peddle when it's already on the floor and just letting it go in case you didn't already know.
The CDV is Honda's reaction to those folks, of which there seem to have been many, who get their jollys out of abusing the car in ways that end up destroying transmissions and rear ends. Unfortunately, it also interferes with those who like to drive aggressively, but properly, when shifting fast. It cause unwanted clutch slippage under certain situations and that's why there are so many who have taken the time and trouble to disable this "feature."
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Steve R.
Very well said...
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Originally Posted by Intrepid175,Jan 6 2006, 04:08 PM
CDV = Clutch Delay Valve
It is a restrictor port that limits how fast the hydraulic fluid can return to the clutch master cylinder when the driver lets his foot off the clutch peddle. It doesn't really do anything during normal driving. What it does do, is keep the clutch from slamming together if the driver does a clutch drop, that's sliding your foot off the peddle when it's already on the floor and just letting it go in case you didn't already know.
The CDV is Honda's reaction to those folks, of which there seem to have been many, who get their jollys out of abusing the car in ways that end up destroying transmissions and rear ends. Unfortunately, it also interferes with those who like to drive aggressively, but properly, when shifting fast. It cause unwanted clutch slippage under certain situations and that's why there are so many who have taken the time and trouble to disable this "feature."
Drive Safe,
Steve R.
It is a restrictor port that limits how fast the hydraulic fluid can return to the clutch master cylinder when the driver lets his foot off the clutch peddle. It doesn't really do anything during normal driving. What it does do, is keep the clutch from slamming together if the driver does a clutch drop, that's sliding your foot off the peddle when it's already on the floor and just letting it go in case you didn't already know.
The CDV is Honda's reaction to those folks, of which there seem to have been many, who get their jollys out of abusing the car in ways that end up destroying transmissions and rear ends. Unfortunately, it also interferes with those who like to drive aggressively, but properly, when shifting fast. It cause unwanted clutch slippage under certain situations and that's why there are so many who have taken the time and trouble to disable this "feature."
Drive Safe,
Steve R.
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Originally Posted by Intrepid175,Jan 2 2006, 11:22 PM
Personally, I'm glad the manufacturers continue to upgrade the cars. If everyone in the early days of the auto industry had the same attitude about change as some of these "they're dumbing it down
" folks, we'd still be driving Model T's. <snip>
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there are several improvements on the later models and now the '06 that i would like to have on my 2001. however, there are also some changes to the character and original design intent of the new S2000 that i do not find desireable.
change will happen, but not all change is good. for example, an 'upgrade' on the newer cars is the CDV... good change or bad? i'm sure Honda says, a design change that reduces tranny damage claims... i say, character change and therefore something non-desired.
*shrug*
just something to think about.
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Originally Posted by PJK3,Jan 10 2006, 05:06 PM
Originally Posted by Intrepid175 @ Jan 2 2006, 11:22 PM
Personally, I'm glad the manufacturers continue to upgrade the cars.
*shrug*
just something to think about.
I doubt many of us would consider the CDV an "upgrade." Personally, I think the suspension changes between the Ap1's and Ap2's are an upgrade but that's just my opinion. The styling changes may or may not be, depending on your personal preference.
However, my personal impression from all the posts I've read comparing the Ap1 with the Ap2 is that the underlying character, if you will, isn't really that different. There are those that prefer the former and others who prefer the later, and I'm talking about folks who have owned both. Yes, there are differences, but in the long run, those differences really aren't that big a deal in the overall performance of the car.
Again, JMO!
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Here's my 2cents.
I find it a little odd that Honda hasn't offered an FP (factory performance) package for the S. Considering the S2's market and the majority of owners interest in basic suspension upgrades (wheels, tires, shocks, springs, etc.) I would have thought they could put something together. The S-02's are a great tire ... but, at least offer an accessory wheel seeing how finding wheels with the correct offset is such a battle.
I only say this because they seem to justify it with the Civic, RSX-S, and TL (I could be missing others). If they could see a Civic buyer stepping up with another $5k how is it so hard to see the S2 buyer doing the same?
Personally I have been happy with the features/products offered with FP packages and would actually consider them when looking to upgrade. Yes, the pricing is a little higher than the aftermarket ... but it would be a well engineered, tested, and proven product that would reduce the dealerships service staff hesitation when asking for consideration.
I find it a little odd that Honda hasn't offered an FP (factory performance) package for the S. Considering the S2's market and the majority of owners interest in basic suspension upgrades (wheels, tires, shocks, springs, etc.) I would have thought they could put something together. The S-02's are a great tire ... but, at least offer an accessory wheel seeing how finding wheels with the correct offset is such a battle.
I only say this because they seem to justify it with the Civic, RSX-S, and TL (I could be missing others). If they could see a Civic buyer stepping up with another $5k how is it so hard to see the S2 buyer doing the same?
Personally I have been happy with the features/products offered with FP packages and would actually consider them when looking to upgrade. Yes, the pricing is a little higher than the aftermarket ... but it would be a well engineered, tested, and proven product that would reduce the dealerships service staff hesitation when asking for consideration.
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I just bought an '06 and drove a couple back-to-back with '05's. Mucter is right, the rollbar speakers just add the ability to hear the stereo. The overall sound quality is pretty poor in either car with the stock audio head. But then if I wanted a concert hall, I'd drive an RL.
I really like the advanced airbages. That is a real upgrade. My wife is small so she gets her face pretty close to the steering wheel. Haivng a milder deployment is good for us.
Now, who can complain about VSA and Traction Control. If you drive on cold, rainy days, no performance tire has much traction. One of my work buddies found that out the hard way and "customized" his brand new S. There is always the "off" switch for those special moments.
I really like the advanced airbages. That is a real upgrade. My wife is small so she gets her face pretty close to the steering wheel. Haivng a milder deployment is good for us.
Now, who can complain about VSA and Traction Control. If you drive on cold, rainy days, no performance tire has much traction. One of my work buddies found that out the hard way and "customized" his brand new S. There is always the "off" switch for those special moments.
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Not again...When I went out to buy my S2K (looking for an AP1) several years ago I was talked into test driving an AP2 b/c of course they wanted to flip it w/ a "great" leasing deal & I said what the hell I've already test drove several 2001 or '02s and I could compare them to the AP2. Well I wasnt impressed with the 8K rev limit and the soft suspension. The car was built leaning ever closer to the creature comforts of the daily commute but now with the advent of the '06 from what i've heard from a friend who works @ honda and from several posts it looks like they've made an ever closer step towards their market approach (keeping the car line alive by attracting a broader sales base). Oh well, I still get a nice grin on my daily commutes to school and work.
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Originally Posted by Yflyer,Jan 26 2006, 07:13 PM
I just bought an '06 and drove a couple back-to-back with '05's. Mucter is right, the rollbar speakers just add the ability to hear the stereo. The overall sound quality is pretty poor in either car with the stock audio head. But then if I wanted a concert hall, I'd drive an RL.
I really like the advanced airbages. That is a real upgrade. My wife is small so she gets her face pretty close to the steering wheel. Haivng a milder deployment is good for us.
Now, who can complain about VSA and Traction Control. If you drive on cold, rainy days, no performance tire has much traction. One of my work buddies found that out the hard way and "customized" his brand new S. There is always the "off" switch for those special moments.
I really like the advanced airbages. That is a real upgrade. My wife is small so she gets her face pretty close to the steering wheel. Haivng a milder deployment is good for us.
Now, who can complain about VSA and Traction Control. If you drive on cold, rainy days, no performance tire has much traction. One of my work buddies found that out the hard way and "customized" his brand new S. There is always the "off" switch for those special moments.