The Killer Angels
Originally Posted by Legal Bill,Sep 1 2006, 08:19 AM
Day 1, Chapter 2, Buford.
What were your thoughts on the image of Buford, standing in the cuppola, unable to see through the fog, yet visualizing in detail the rebel attack on his regiments by sound alone?
What did you think of the first battle scene of the book? Does Shaara make you see the battle in your minds eye?
We meet Reynolds for the first and last time. What did you think of Reynold's and Buford's meeting? How did it leave you feeling about the course of the battle and the war? How did you feel about it a moment later when Buford looks back and sees Reynold's horse without Reynolds?
BTW, if you saw the Movie Gettysburg, I thought the casting for Buford's role was perfect. I forget the actors name. I'll have to see if I can find it.
What were your thoughts on the image of Buford, standing in the cuppola, unable to see through the fog, yet visualizing in detail the rebel attack on his regiments by sound alone?
What did you think of the first battle scene of the book? Does Shaara make you see the battle in your minds eye?
We meet Reynolds for the first and last time. What did you think of Reynold's and Buford's meeting? How did it leave you feeling about the course of the battle and the war? How did you feel about it a moment later when Buford looks back and sees Reynold's horse without Reynolds?
BTW, if you saw the Movie Gettysburg, I thought the casting for Buford's role was perfect. I forget the actors name. I'll have to see if I can find it.
Reynolds and Buford, all heck is about to break loose, and Reynolds first action is to say, "Good morning, John." Wonder if that is what happened, if so,
Reynolds must have had some "life force," sad when he's killed.
Originally Posted by ralper,Sep 1 2006, 07:43 PM
Vito,
The more I think about this, the more it seems that Lee repeats "Its all in God's hands" a number of times. As I read that I couldn't help but think it was either his subconscience way of admitting that he could lose the battle or something to hide behind if he did.
The more I think about this, the more it seems that Lee repeats "Its all in God's hands" a number of times. As I read that I couldn't help but think it was either his subconscience way of admitting that he could lose the battle or something to hide behind if he did.
Here's an interesting clip from GODS AND GENERALS:
Jackson (pressing the attack, at night, against a scared and retreating (running away) Union Army at Chancellorsville, minutes before he is shot):
He rode farther, listening, looked up into the black, wanted to ask God to please let them keep on...but he did not, thought, You have given us much today. .....He looked up (saw the moon, and moonlight), said another prayer, Thank You for our success......Yes, he thought, God is still showing us the way!
Lee is described as believing absolutely in God. Jackson surely did. Jackson had absolutely no fear in battle, none whatsoever, because of his faith in God and a hereafter.
What I find fascinating is that many of the Southern generals believe firmly that God is on their side, showing them the way. Surely they read about EXODUS, bondage, etc. How could they think that a God that did battle for the ancient Hebrews, to release them from bitter bondage, could be for the South and the institution of slavery?
Originally Posted by Vitito,Sep 1 2006, 07:51 PM
Rob, could be, though I believe Lee/Jackson think they are instruments of God, doing God's will. Just as John Brown thought he was doing God's will.
What I find fascinating is that many of the Southern generals believe firmly that God is on their side, showing them the way. Surely they read about EXODUS, bondage, etc. How could they think that a God that did battle for the ancient Hebrews, to release them from bitter bondage, could be for the South and the institution of slavery?
What I find fascinating is that many of the Southern generals believe firmly that God is on their side, showing them the way. Surely they read about EXODUS, bondage, etc. How could they think that a God that did battle for the ancient Hebrews, to release them from bitter bondage, could be for the South and the institution of slavery?
It seems to me that everyone involved in a war thinks that God is on their side. Not just this war, all wars.
Originally Posted by ajlafleche,Sep 1 2006, 09:05 PM
They would be intimately familiar with the Bible, old and new testaments. But they also viewed "the negro" as something less than human. They were considered the sons of Ham, one of Noah's sons who laughed at him after the flood for having been drunk and naked who was subsequently cursed by Noah
Rob has a good point, many opposing factions both think God is on their side.
Originally Posted by Vitito,Sep 2 2006, 12:05 PM
Rob has a good point, many opposing factions both think God is on their side.
Originally Posted by ajlafleche,Sep 2 2006, 04:45 PM
And on and on throughout history most wars have been either in the name of God or sold as having His blessing.
sad but true.I finished the book. I think I'm going to read it again before PA.
Day 1, Chapter 3, Lee
He starts his ride to the front with concerns of retreat. What is Lee's role on this morning? By the end of the day? What do you think of how the battle is orchestrated and commanded on the Confederate side?
Hill is sick and Heth is in over his head. He has not listened to the reports of Union cavalry and has committed troops a little at a time until the entire division is involved in what he thought was going to be a "brush off" of a few militia with shotguns.
Yet the pieces fall together for the Confederacy as General Early and Rodes, acting without orders attack the Union flanks. Heth, who started what could have been a disaster, is eager to redeem himself. Lee has little to do but order Heth and Pender to rejoin the attack. Finally, the Union breaks. But to what end? Lee is immediately concerned that the Union is reforming on the high ground. He knows this cannot be allowed. He orders his generals to pursue if at all possible.
Why won't Lee's generals pursue?
Longstreet arrives on the scene after the battle is over. He is pleased but does not kid himself that the success is the result of planning and again recommends the defensive strategy. Read Lee's reaction carefully. Note Lee's thoughts about numerical strength on page 119.
Why does Lee want to take the fight to the Union? Moments ago he has expressed concern over the Union reforming in the hills. Now he doesn't want to hear Longstreet's advice to move away from those same hills. Isn't Longstreet simply echoing Lee's own observation??? Yet, it seems, when he his presented with his own concerns, Lee goes in another direction.
He starts his ride to the front with concerns of retreat. What is Lee's role on this morning? By the end of the day? What do you think of how the battle is orchestrated and commanded on the Confederate side?
Hill is sick and Heth is in over his head. He has not listened to the reports of Union cavalry and has committed troops a little at a time until the entire division is involved in what he thought was going to be a "brush off" of a few militia with shotguns.
Yet the pieces fall together for the Confederacy as General Early and Rodes, acting without orders attack the Union flanks. Heth, who started what could have been a disaster, is eager to redeem himself. Lee has little to do but order Heth and Pender to rejoin the attack. Finally, the Union breaks. But to what end? Lee is immediately concerned that the Union is reforming on the high ground. He knows this cannot be allowed. He orders his generals to pursue if at all possible.
Why won't Lee's generals pursue?
Longstreet arrives on the scene after the battle is over. He is pleased but does not kid himself that the success is the result of planning and again recommends the defensive strategy. Read Lee's reaction carefully. Note Lee's thoughts about numerical strength on page 119.
Why does Lee want to take the fight to the Union? Moments ago he has expressed concern over the Union reforming in the hills. Now he doesn't want to hear Longstreet's advice to move away from those same hills. Isn't Longstreet simply echoing Lee's own observation??? Yet, it seems, when he his presented with his own concerns, Lee goes in another direction.









