The Killer Angels
Thanks for the welcome. My wife and I just took a trip to Gettysburg and came away very moved. I've read KA several times and this trip actually got her interested in the book - she finished it in two settings! 

Originally Posted by Legal Bill,Aug 30 2006, 10:10 PM
You are all too much. Endosement after endosement for the chapter by chapter method, but everyone is jumping ahead with quotes and conclusions.
Ok, we are at Day 1 the first chapter. Lee.
He is revered. He is a god among his men. But Lee faces his own mortality and it occupies him constantly. He misses Jackson like a lost arm. He doubts the leadership qualities of those he has elevated, Ewell and Early. We see more motive for a quick end to the war.
Lees aides insulate him from what they feel are unnecessary disturbances, but their judgment is clouded by an unrealistic belief in their superiority and prejudice against "non traditional" sources of information and "non-professional soldiers." Stuart has not returned and Lee still has no information about the Union's position. He relies on Longstreet, but we are left to wonder why.
Bad decision to invade the north?
Lee is telling his aide the army will treat the locals with respect, gives a blind horse back to a farmer, he has no fear of the Army of the Potomac, contemplating about Mrs. Pender's inability to pray for hubbie, thinking about Fremantle, talk of the old soldier's illness.
Lee seems relaxed to me, not at all thinking about a major engagement at Gettysburg. He's just using all the roads to concentrate his forces.
Originally Posted by JWN6264,Aug 31 2006, 02:12 PM
I've been lurking for some time and have greatly enjoyed the thread. I'm a southern boy and grew up next to the Chancellorsville battlefield. I actually played in trenches at the rear of my parents property.
I think that Lee is still feeling the devastation of losing Jackson. He was able to depend on Jackson to press any weakness that may be found in the Union deployment - such as the turn of the flank at Chancellorsville. Even though Lee did not want the engagement at Gettysburg possibly he was playing Jackson's accustomed role of the aggressor? Lee also believed that his troops could accomplish any task as long as they were ably led...
I think that Lee is still feeling the devastation of losing Jackson. He was able to depend on Jackson to press any weakness that may be found in the Union deployment - such as the turn of the flank at Chancellorsville. Even though Lee did not want the engagement at Gettysburg possibly he was playing Jackson's accustomed role of the aggressor? Lee also believed that his troops could accomplish any task as long as they were ably led...
Lee knew Jackson was his best field commander. Tragic loss. I think Lee and Jackson both favored the offensive. Lee: "Napolean once said, 'The logical end to defensive warfare is surrender...'" Jackson was a proponent of the bayonet charge, ordered pikes for his soldiers, and was a fearless leader. Now he's gone.
Longstreet and Lee want the invasion to be offensive in strategy, but defensive in tactical engagement, correct?
Originally Posted by Vitito,Aug 31 2006, 08:38 PM
......Longstreet and Lee want the invasion to be offensive in strategy, but defensive in tactical engagement, correct?
In other words, come up into the enemy's home turf [offensive strategy]
but
Attempt to just tease them with your presence....expecting that the south would have superior cavalry (intelligence) and be more nimble to move around quickly in Pennsyvania: thrust and pull-back [defensive tactical engagement]
[Sorry to say that I must soon leave this discussion....packing for a wet weekend in Gettysburg area.....doing a not-so-dry run over the road course on either Saturday or Sunday with the other 'scouts'
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Originally Posted by Vitito,Aug 31 2006, 09:19 PM
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Lee seems relaxed to me, not at all thinking about a major engagement at Gettysburg. He's just using all the roads to concentrate his forces.
Lee seems relaxed to me, not at all thinking about a major engagement at Gettysburg. He's just using all the roads to concentrate his forces.
Originally Posted by Legal Bill,Aug 31 2006, 11:09 PM
I'll take issue with this. Shaara portrays him as quite concerned about his position, his troops, his leaders and his health. Those around him seem relaxed, but not him.
Thats what I thought too. He seems tired and weak as well.
Lets look at pages 88-89. In response to Longstreets prediction that Meade is coming fast, Lee thinks "direction does not matter. Fight him wherever he is. Lee said, 'We have an opportunity.'"
Longstreet, thinking they are in agreement, proposes a defensive strategy. Lee immediately disagrees. He believes the Union ar,y is tired and strung out. He offers an alternative to the idea of a defensive war. "If we concentrate we can hit him as he comes up. If we ruin one or two corps we can even the odds." He and Longstreet then argue over defensive versus offensive engagement with Lee pushing Longstreet to see it his way.
Remember, at this point Lee barely believes that Buford's cavalry is in Gettysburg. Yet he is already planning on attacking. Shaara leaves me with the picture of a general who is feeling his age and his mortality, looking for a quick end and planning to attack a numerically stronger army to try to end the war now.
I will move on to Day 1, Chapter 2 Buford, but feel free to continue this discussion about Lee.
Longstreet, thinking they are in agreement, proposes a defensive strategy. Lee immediately disagrees. He believes the Union ar,y is tired and strung out. He offers an alternative to the idea of a defensive war. "If we concentrate we can hit him as he comes up. If we ruin one or two corps we can even the odds." He and Longstreet then argue over defensive versus offensive engagement with Lee pushing Longstreet to see it his way.
Remember, at this point Lee barely believes that Buford's cavalry is in Gettysburg. Yet he is already planning on attacking. Shaara leaves me with the picture of a general who is feeling his age and his mortality, looking for a quick end and planning to attack a numerically stronger army to try to end the war now.
I will move on to Day 1, Chapter 2 Buford, but feel free to continue this discussion about Lee.
Day 1, Chapter 2, Buford.
What were your thoughts on the image of Buford, standing in the cuppola, unable to see through the fog, yet visualizing in detail the rebel attack on his regiments by sound alone?
What did you think of the first battle scene of the book? Does Shaara make you see the battle in your minds eye?
We meet Reynolds for the first and last time. What did you think of Reynold's and Buford's meeting? How did it leave you feeling about the course of the battle and the war? How did you feel about it a moment later when Buford looks back and sees Reynold's horse without Reynolds?
BTW, if you saw the Movie Gettysburg, I thought the casting for Buford's role was perfect. I forget the actors name. I'll have to see if I can find it.
What were your thoughts on the image of Buford, standing in the cuppola, unable to see through the fog, yet visualizing in detail the rebel attack on his regiments by sound alone?
What did you think of the first battle scene of the book? Does Shaara make you see the battle in your minds eye?
We meet Reynolds for the first and last time. What did you think of Reynold's and Buford's meeting? How did it leave you feeling about the course of the battle and the war? How did you feel about it a moment later when Buford looks back and sees Reynold's horse without Reynolds?
BTW, if you saw the Movie Gettysburg, I thought the casting for Buford's role was perfect. I forget the actors name. I'll have to see if I can find it.
Originally Posted by Legal Bill,Sep 1 2006, 08:19 AM
BTW, if you saw the Movie Gettysburg, I thought the casting for Buford's role was perfect. I forget the actors name. I'll have to see if I can find it.









