Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Coming up to a year now since I traded the s2k, but I still come back......that says something about this site in my opinion.

 

Exactly right on all counts. It makes me crazy when someone claims we/someone aren't/isn't "newbie friendly" when some newbie assclown shows up asking "Which CAI is best????" for the 100th time, or makes absurd statements about how his STB decreased his 0-60 time by 3 seconds.

In both those situations, the newbie SHOULD get the crap flamed out of him, and made to feel stupid and humiliated. If I'm having a meeting at work and someone shows up halfway through and starts demanding answers to questions the rest of us answered two hours ago, should I slowly and politely explain everything he missed, or should I bluntly suggest that he figure the answers out on his own time and quit wasting mine?

I'm not newbie unfriendly at all. Newbies are just like me. But I do HATE stupid people, and stupid people are those who are provided a resource to obtain an answer, and either purposely or ignorantly chose not to use it. Let's be very accomodating to the newbies who show up and politely search to answer questions, or drag up a relevant old thread to ask about a new angle; but whether your user age is 1 day or 1000, act stupid and you SHOULD be flamed, for the sake of the board if no other reason. Don't strangle us under the guise of "politeness" for refusing to tolerate stupidity.

 

Perhaps, but draw a clear line in the sand between "opinion" and "fact."

Often, people whine and cry over a difference of "opinion," but in reality, the crier is trying to assert his "opinion" as a fact, or is presenting an opinion that is factually wrong.

For instance:

Person A: "Black is the best car color."
Person B: "No, red is the best, you are a $#%#$ing idiot."

Person A is right to be offended, and person B is in the wrong.

However:

Person A: "My cross-drilled brake rotors make my car stop better, accelerate faster, and my johnson thicker."
Person B: "No, you're wrong, and you're a #$%#$ing assclown."

This situation is not a case of "failing to tolerate a different opinion," it is a case of an intelligent person pointing out someone else's blatant %#$@ing stupidity.

When we allow people to disseminate incorrect or just plain stupid information for the sake of "tolerating different opinions" or "politeness and civility" we all suffer. Whenever you (the collective you, not you specifically) think "your opinion isn't being tolerated," ask yourself if you are presenting an opinion, or are you asserting a fact. And if you are asserting a fact, ask yourself if you KNOW and can PROVE that fact to be correct. If it isn't and you can't, take your flaming and move on. Don't bitch and moan about your opinion not being accepted, because there is a big difference between being called out for being WRONG and being called out for having a different opinion. Rarely do I see the second, but the first is rampant, as it should be.

 

Next time you get the urge to call someone an "#$%#$ing assclown" take a couple breaths and press the ignore button. Some people here have the "my johnson thicker" attitude and just flame away at the "stupid people" and do no more that add pages of useless drivel.

 

And then unchallenged incorrect info is allowed to pass as fact by default. If someone posts blatantly incorrect info, first they get challenged on it with a simple "no, that's wrong." If they persist, that's when the gloves come off. The organizers have to decide if they want a polite circlejerk of factually incorrect information, or they want a place where what's stated is correct and occasionally some keyboard bandit gets his feelings hurt. Would you rather us all be happy and stupid, or should we set the bar a little higher? I know which one I'd chose.

 

It's one thing to inteligently discuss a point, it's quite another to call someone an assclown or stupid because you disagree. The standard operating procedure here is to first insult driving ability, and then start calling people stupid:

Example:
You must not be a very good driver if you think that. You must be stupid or something.

This is a silly argument, but it's used regularly, and it's part of the problem here. I'm all for open debate, but when it gets to the assclown level, I've already hit the ignore button.

 

And God, what's with the assclown stuff anyway. I'm not gay, not that there's anything wrong with that, but do we have to be homophobic. It's a car site thing right, OK I can deal.

 

I have definitely noticed a change within the last year. Whereas there used to be a clear difference between this site and clubrsx, I am starting to see the same immaturity and pointless arguing I saw over there. To those of you how are veterans and have been here... please do not leave. We need to keep s2ki a decent site.

 

Assclown has no homosexual connotations that I'm aware of.

And I agree that the first step isn't to insult (as I already stated), but when someone tenaciously clings to a position that has been shown to be factually bankrupt, the only recourse is to label them appropriately.

 

Turn the first # sigh into and F and you're more than halfway there. Now we can logically discuss it to it's natural conclusion, but lets not...

I guess my problem is that you already believe your own view, so you're the wrong person to decide who is factually bankrupt. Generally that decicion is made by the loosing party. Anotherwords if you can't win the argument, just start the name calling early.

Instead, though we can agree to disagree.