New Civic Type R confirmed
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Originally Posted by moff,Dec 21 2005, 10:59 AM
But these cars are fecking road cars, not track cars how many will be tracked?
270 bhp FWD is fine. The Cupra R that I drove was awesome, the wheel spin is only really bad in the wet, not the dry.
Bada, have you driven a 220+ bhp hot hatch on the roads? If you haven't, you should give it a go.
With technology being as good as it is now, there should be no reason why there isn't a FWD 300bhp car with amazing ESP / TC and an LSD.
270 bhp FWD is fine. The Cupra R that I drove was awesome, the wheel spin is only really bad in the wet, not the dry.
Bada, have you driven a 220+ bhp hot hatch on the roads? If you haven't, you should give it a go.
With technology being as good as it is now, there should be no reason why there isn't a FWD 300bhp car with amazing ESP / TC and an LSD.
I raced a 270bhp Fiat Coupe in my VTS a few years ago, and he spun his wheels going into 4th (in the dry) due to the squatting thing.
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It is a matter of commonsense that a tyre has a given coefficient of grip (mu)
The more of that used in cornering, the less that is available for power transference, or vice versa.
Why on earth would one have two of the tyres doing all of the work, whilst the rears are merely stopping the rear end dragging on the ground? Illogical, other than it's cheap.
Four wheel drive and four wheel steering would make a far better prospect.
The more of that used in cornering, the less that is available for power transference, or vice versa.
Why on earth would one have two of the tyres doing all of the work, whilst the rears are merely stopping the rear end dragging on the ground? Illogical, other than it's cheap.
Four wheel drive and four wheel steering would make a far better prospect.
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Originally Posted by Bada Bing!,Dec 21 2005, 12:06 PM
I raced a 270bhp Fiat Coupe in my VTS a few years ago, and he spun his wheels going into 4th (in the dry) due to the squatting thing.
All modern hot hatches now have a decent TC (except the Type R of course, but I am 100% the new will).
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves,Dec 21 2005, 03:20 PM
Four wheel drive and four wheel steering would make a far better prospect.
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves,Dec 21 2005, 03:20 PM
It is a matter of commonsense that a tyre has a given coefficient of grip (mu)
The more of that used in cornering, the less that is available for power transference, or vice versa.
Why on earth would one have two of the tyres doing all of the work, whilst the rears are merely stopping the rear end dragging on the ground? Illogical, other than it's cheap.
Four wheel drive and four wheel steering would make a far better prospect.
The more of that used in cornering, the less that is available for power transference, or vice versa.
Why on earth would one have two of the tyres doing all of the work, whilst the rears are merely stopping the rear end dragging on the ground? Illogical, other than it's cheap.
Four wheel drive and four wheel steering would make a far better prospect.
Apart from the 4WD bit. The transmission loss, additional weight and tyre wear are my reasons why.
I like having 2 wheels steering and 2 wheels driving. Then all 4 only have one job to do each. Which makes much more sense.
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Indeed I agree; for lighter, sportier cars 4WD is unnecessary.
I rue the day that Honda gave up with active 4WS and pursued 4WD instead. No-one would but it, because they were too lazy to understand it.
I rue the day that Honda gave up with active 4WS and pursued 4WD instead. No-one would but it, because they were too lazy to understand it.
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