To really pull away from another car you need a considerably greater power to weight ratio than it.

As for the CTR vs S2000 debate on a road there is nothing in it - on a greasy road the CTR will probably get away a little as its more forgiving(as has already been said)

On track - wet or dry it is very close but ultimately due to better traction (RWD) and marginal power advantage the s is usually quicker.

This is all based on personal experience, both on road and on track and is obviously down to driver etc.

 

what a cracking thread! So much more "grown up" than some of the others you see about car vs car!

Ive had both the civic and an S2000 (and a DC2 integra too) and I couldnt agree more with what most people are saying- there really is nothing in it on the road up until stoopid speeds which, lets face it, the more cerebral of us never attempt anyway!

The civic has a lot of grip but the S2000 handles a lot better but I think in order to really exploit this you need to be on a track, not on the road. On a give and take road there wouldnt be much in it at all.

I enjoyed the flexibility of the type R engine whereas my00 S2K really did need to be revved to make it shift. Both where great cars and im tempted to get another type R (or DC5 teg if i can afford insurance). The S2000 was superb though and for sheer driving pleasure, wiped the floor with the civic

 

make model yr bhp kgs bhp/ton 0-60 0-100 60-100 1/4 + t
Lotus Elise Sport S2 111R 04 189 860 223.30 5.04 13.08 8.05 13.45 101.38
Honda S2000 03 237 1250 192.64 5.67 14.33 8.66 14.04 98.96
Honda Civic Type-R 02 197 1204 166.25 6.57 16.85 10.28 14.97 94.25

obliterates my arce.. i know a 190bhp exige is about 10s faster round the ring than the S...

 

A 190 Exige is a 111R with some different bodywork. I think the S2K 0-60 time is a little optimistic too.

The S2K is a good car, but it's nowhere near the 111R in terms of performance (0-100 feels even more than a second quicker). Braking, cornering, acceleration - the S2K just can't compete in any of them. In the wet, the difference is mind blowing.

This is an S2K forum, so I'm not expecting you to believe that my car is faster.

 

so in a straight line the elise190R will "obliterate" the s2k in roughly the same way as the s2k will "obliterate" the type R ie it wont. It will be faster and edge ahead but it wont exactly be racing away. Reckon you need at least another 100bhp/tonne to "obliterate" anything in a straight line. As for throwing in a few corners no doubt the elise would be faster but tbh in the real world this always come down to the driver and who is prepared to take the most risks to prove a point.....

 

I do believe it's faster but the only thing that's ever obliterated me was a 911 GT3. I think even you will agree that's a touch faster than your Lotus at 300bhp/ton . I don't try in the wet and that's not S2 related but if you need to add caveats you're not in that GT3s league .

Obliterate:
1. to remove or destroy all traces of; do away with; destroy completely.
2. to blot out or render undecipherable (writing, marks, etc.); efface.

and i've got fecking carpets and a heater and everything

in answer to the original I think Saxo hits the nail on the head that in performance terms on the road you need a big gap before anyone is proving anything about which is faster.. I've kept pace with an M3 but I don't kid myself I'm Michael Schumacher or my car is a McClaren F1.

except when i play Gran Turismo

 

MIRA got 0-60 in 5.5s when they tested it.

 

I usually find they drop back to 70 and you get no further hassle.

These days, most cars on the road are infinitely more capable than are their drivers.

I reckon there's probably some Lamborghini owners that haven't passed their driving tests, somewhere.

 

It's not inasmuch taking risks; more the other way.

Get a corner in teh wrong gear, or slow down excessively and the tailing car will catch you up.

Like posey-bollocks in his C4 above.

This is why it's easy to tail someone, but harder to get away from them.

This is why road racing is utterly pointless and dangerous.

AND why a car with 100bhp more is likely to be heavier & more ponderous on the corners. Drawbacks, you see:

I accept Bada's car is usefully faster round the tighter twisties. But all I've gotta do is extend the race for a few thousand miles until it falls apart!

 

Which reminds me...My wife took one look at an Elise , declared it completely impractible and walked away.