Now there is a novel f'ing thought...
Thanks Max!

Your letter suggests that the outcome may have been different if the Council had given Ferrari further opportunities to be heard beyond those that were in fact offered.

Which were basically none....

Macaluso requested that Mosley submit the matter to appeal and said that would allow Ferrari to fully state their case -- at the WMSC meeting the Scuderia was an observer, not a participant. He stated that Ferrari had been "seriously and directly affected by McLaren's behaviour" and it was appropriate that Ferrari "enjoys full rights of due process".

Damn right they should be entitled to due process!

 

Ya think????

I think Ferrari pushing ahead with the legal action against McLaren along with the fact that the FIA already found McLaren guilty but did not punish them would have made the FIA look really bad if the legal action resulted in McLaren being found guilty....

 

let's not forget that M is also preparing to charge F with being in breach of 151c.

gettin' juicier....

 

It would be really funny if in a more complete investigation it was discovered that Bernie also knew about what was going on and was taking specific steps to try and brush this under the carpet. And I would love to contemplate his punishment

 

Good luck with that as Ferrari did not give NS permission to use the data as he saw fit. Ferrari are responsible for employee actions against other employees and external customers. Employees of Ferrari are trusted with data to do their jobs and keep that info secret. NS truly acted as an individual because he did not advise Ferrari that he was sending the info to McLaren and if found guilty NS should be punished.

MC on the other hand, should have reported that he had confidential information to his employers (McLaren), which he did, McLaren then should have reported it immediately to the FIA - they didn't and kept it for months, even building a "clarification" case on the flexi floor.

McLaren are trying to muddy the waters by claiming whistleblower protection when a whistleblower does not go to the competetion, they go to the authorities - FIA...no one involved ever went to the FIA until Ferrari were tipped off.

BIG difference in responsibilities.....and article 151c will not apply to Ferrari.

 

OH PLEASE KICK HIM OUT OF F1!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

McLaren is the slime of the earth...

By Jean Todt

"A few weeks after the race in Melbourne, the McLaren team principal proposed that we should reach a sort of agreement to establish a better relationship between our two teams, thus avoiding any future denunciations to the sporting authority. I replied that I found it impossible to believe him, because on several occasions we had seen that certain commitments had always been disregarded by McLaren. There was an exchange of views and, believing in their good faith, I agreed to sign this agreement on 9 June last. Since that time and even earlier, McLaren was perfectly aware, not only of the e-mails sent by their informer within our company, but also of the fact that their chief designer had stayed in contact with him and had received and continued to be in possession of a significant amount of technical information that belonged to us. So, on the one hand, they had come to say "let us trust one another," and on the other they were hiding serious facts such as those just stated above, but making no effort to inform us as would have been in the spirit and to the letter of our agreement.

 

and M can't control what one of their rogue employees (direct quote from max mosley) does either.

M did not tell MC to accept the data either.

if you think they did, well then you will always think that way.

151c could absolutely apply to F.

 

I agree that they cannot control one rogue employee...but that does not answer the question as to why did McLaren not go to the FIA when they first found out that MC had the data - that would have cleared McLaren....but McLaren did not come clean to the FIA, instead they created a "clarification" request based on the info MC had...

McLaren said the first heard of this July 3rd...when they knowingly had the data in March.

151c does not apply to Ferrari....

 

Oh and also see Doug's post...

Like I said way back...this goes up all the way to RD.