i'm only speaking to the example you gave.....

this is the million dollar question now, isn't it?

 

so, if i throw a bag of money on your porch, and you are left to defend against how and why the money got there, you're telling me i have nothing to do with it?

 

1) If my (adult) kid steals some money from me and throws it on your porch, is it my fault?

2) If you keep it instead of turning it in, then you accept the legal liability that it may be stolen property. You know it's not really yours to keep.

 

Your analogy isn't quite right:

I'll exand it to fit the current debate:

So, if Plyrs_3 steals a bag of money from an Italian corporation, let's call them Maserati, and throws the bag of money on the porch of an employee of a German corporation, let's call them Porsche, and the Porsche employee gives the money to his employer, and Porsche starts spending the money but doesn't report it to the authorities, then I AM TELLING YOU THAT PORSCHE IS CULPABLE AND PLYRS_3 IS CULPABLE and unless you can prove a (preposterous) conspiracy to create this set of events MASERATI IS NOT.

 

1) not the same...how about your 14 year old kid? if you knew about it, then yes. NS states that someone else at F knew about this or actually did it....he vehemently denies the allegations...but this will be borne out over time.

2) of course, but in light of 1, i can't be the only one guilty (my main contention all along).

that's all i'm saying.

no one else wants to believe that that no one at F knew about this....and did not report it. yet no one seems to realize that F is sucking donkey balls compared to M this year....do you think F don't have a motive?

i'm just surprised that no one wants to think outside the box on this one.

 

your expanded analogy is not the least bit accurate.

the fact of the matter is that no one has proven that Porsche in fact spent the money....

that is the difference.

not to mention giving the head of Porsche a bag of money belonging to Maserati is A LOT different than TELLING the head of Porsche that you have a bag of money belonging to Maserati.

 

[QUOTE=PLYRS 3,Aug 1 2007, 12:01 PM] 1) not the same...how about your 14 year old kid?

 

based on their performance this year, do you dispute that? kidding...

you know what i mean....F is responsible for the actions of its employees as it pertains to their involvement in F1.

the theft part is an outright crime....and NS being pursued at the legal level. keep in mind that MC is not being pursued criminally by F, but civilly....why is that?

it's the nuances of the sporting code that are being discussed here. the fact that it was given to a competitor is contrary to the ISC.

 

Mike, it's not Mclaren's fault that their employee was given the file.

McLaren is having to defend themselves over something they had no control over.

can you control the fact that someone pulls a gun on you out of the blue? will you defend yourself in any manner whatsover? yes, you will.

no answer is gonna be good enough for F fans....if they blew the whistle as soon as they knew, F fans would argue, "ya, but they had the stuff for 4 minutes and 11 seconds." it's a no-win for M....and that fact was NOT lost on the WMC as illustrated by their verdict last week.

 

Yes ... and no. Ferrari (and anyone) is responsible for setting and enforcing policies that fit in with the rules of the sport. What you are saying is that any victim is always guilty of the crime against them because they were a participant in the crime. That's just ridiculous.