you're saying M isn't a victim?

what happens if a pit-crew member of F walks over and punctures another competitor's tire?

well, the guy's wearing F-red, he came out of the F pits, he's at the race in a working capacity for F.....

you can't pick and choose when you want to distance a team from an individual and vice-versa.

 

Yes, you can. And it is done all the time. It's called "exercising reasonable judgment".

The degree of guilt of the company that accepts that stolen information depends on how it was used, how many people knew about it, how long they knew about it, whether they report the incident themselves or whether it is discovered by someone else, and how important the information is. It also depends on whether they have (enforced) policies in place that clearly tell their employees "this is not acceptible".

This happens in the real world all the time. And judges and juries decide how culpable the receiving party is. One can argue that's what happened here, that the FIA court decided McLaren was not culpable. Except they said they decided they were culpable but not enough to punish, which is why the decision was so odd.

And yes, if a Ferrari employee harmed some other team, then Ferrari would be subject to the same reasoning as well. But that's not what happened, now is it? The Ferrari employee harmed Ferrari, which is a very different matter.

 

How many times does it have to be pointed out to you???

McLaren are responsible because they KNEW about MC back in March but did NOTHING about it....

geez man - it's simple....

 

Nope - because they could have fixed the situation from the start...but they didn't, they chose to launch a "clarification" request via the gained knowledge from the stolen info. Right then they lost all defense of MC acting alone.

 

thank you.

 

yes, see post above.

 

Actually you are...and I noticed you still have not answered my questions....

You should really stop because with each post you make less sense.

 

Yup - like Mike said - it is a completely different matter...but I guess you breezed over that part...

 

NS was an employee of F at that time, and after that time.

you're telling me that the multi-million dollar team F didn't have a system in place to prevent e-mails travelling to other teams. e-mails weren't screened in their highly IP-rich business? i guess they're just guilty of being utterly stupid.

remember, those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

LOL

so M harmed F more than their own employee?

red mist....