The Formula 1 Thread - 2012
I've always thought Raikonnen was overrated to be honest. He won the 2007 championship almost by default, after Alonso and Hamilton tried really hard not to win it, and then in 2008-9 he was inconsistent, being beaten to the almost-championship by Massa in 2008. I can't help feeling he'll come back, take the money, and be disapointing once again.
Kubica needs to do a few tests to prove that he's still got it. I wouldn't be surprised to see him doing that for Ferrari late next year, then stepping into the race seat for the last couple of races when Massa and Ferrari have the inevitable end of contract falling out.
Kubica needs to do a few tests to prove that he's still got it. I wouldn't be surprised to see him doing that for Ferrari late next year, then stepping into the race seat for the last couple of races when Massa and Ferrari have the inevitable end of contract falling out.
Ferrari and Red Bull leave FOTA ... no surprise there then, they both have been spending more money than others developing their cars and they want to continue, typical Ferrari tactics ... so next year it will be the 'big' spenders who stick to the top once again ... not that they don't anyway ... of course the above is pure conjecture on my part, but I suspect I am not far from the truth ... that we'll never know.
Isn't this just Ferrari and Red Bull throwing their weight around to get what they want in the RRA ?
As I undertand it there is a 2 month notice period to leave FOTA, so expect to see the above withdraw their requests to leave once they get what they want.
No surprise that Ferrari want things to change, they just aren't at the races, but Red Bull, I don't understand their motivation.
As I undertand it there is a 2 month notice period to leave FOTA, so expect to see the above withdraw their requests to leave once they get what they want.
No surprise that Ferrari want things to change, they just aren't at the races, but Red Bull, I don't understand their motivation.
Isn't this just Ferrari and Red Bull throwing their weight around to get what they want in the RRA ?
As I undertand it there is a 2 month notice period to leave FOTA, so expect to see the above withdraw their requests to leave once they get what they want.
No surprise that Ferrari want things to change, they just aren't at the races, but Red Bull, I don't understand their motivation.
As I undertand it there is a 2 month notice period to leave FOTA, so expect to see the above withdraw their requests to leave once they get what they want.
No surprise that Ferrari want things to change, they just aren't at the races, but Red Bull, I don't understand their motivation.
As far as I'm aware, testing and engines are covered under FIA regulations, so no team, regardless of being part of FOTA or not, will be able to dodge those rules. Of course wind tunnel testing has no such restriction in place, and this is the really big factor in modern F1. Any team with the ability to spend extra cash on this would be at a big advantage.
Red Bull have said that they will only stay in F1 as long as they're competitive, but with Ferrari looking to be freed from the RRA, they can't stand idly by while the Ferraris start to dominate again.
Ferrari I think are in a bit of a dilemma, they're under tremendous pressure to return to form, they have a tough act to follow, with the domination we saw while MS was racing there. Of course the old Ferrari under Todt and Brawn were well known for spending a fortune, especially on testing, so Domenicali's team are trying to get back on top despite the spending restrictions in place. I think they would prefer to stick with the RRA if possible, but the pressure from management and the fans is forcing them to look at spending their way back to dominance.
On the other hand, the teams are legally committed to the RRA until 2017, so I'm not sure how they can work around that, although it hasn't stopped them before. Like Bernie himself said, F1 is about stretching or breaking the rules and not getting caught!
Red Bull have said that they will only stay in F1 as long as they're competitive, but with Ferrari looking to be freed from the RRA, they can't stand idly by while the Ferraris start to dominate again.
Ferrari I think are in a bit of a dilemma, they're under tremendous pressure to return to form, they have a tough act to follow, with the domination we saw while MS was racing there. Of course the old Ferrari under Todt and Brawn were well known for spending a fortune, especially on testing, so Domenicali's team are trying to get back on top despite the spending restrictions in place. I think they would prefer to stick with the RRA if possible, but the pressure from management and the fans is forcing them to look at spending their way back to dominance.
On the other hand, the teams are legally committed to the RRA until 2017, so I'm not sure how they can work around that, although it hasn't stopped them before. Like Bernie himself said, F1 is about stretching or breaking the rules and not getting caught!
I seem to remember Derek Warwick running in the top 6 of the RAC Rally one year in a Subaru before he fell off the road in, in think, Kielder.
And the other way round, Loeb has been competitive driving GT cars at Le Mans and I seem to recall that Colin McRae really surprised the Jordan Team when he tested one o their cars at Silverstone in spite of the seat meaning that he was sitting far too high...
Having said that, I agree, Kimi sucked at rallying.
Probably not fair to say that he sucked at rallying. He was invariably in the top 20 of the WRC guys. Which means he probably could have been a national champion. Just not world class.
It's a very different discipline from circuit racing which may well not have suited Kimi's lifestyle.
And he was quick, but ultimately had too many accidents
It's a very different discipline from circuit racing which may well not have suited Kimi's lifestyle.
And he was quick, but ultimately had too many accidents
I don't think he did badly in WRC, but it's a little hard to judge. Unfortunately in today's WRC everybody sucks, except for Loeb.
I was watching Race of Champions yesterday, and that was won by Sebastian "Seb 2.0" Ogier, beating Schumacher, Vettel, Button, Petrov, Grosjean and others.
I was watching Race of Champions yesterday, and that was won by Sebastian "Seb 2.0" Ogier, beating Schumacher, Vettel, Button, Petrov, Grosjean and others.



