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Old Jul 24, 2012 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by s2k_Nut
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Anyone remember how Hamilton passed Rosberg at Bahrain???
That was different, Hamilton was 'pushed' to the outer track by Rosberg, Hamilton had no choice but to go off the track or crash. Of course he could have never attempted the move at all, but that is not what racing drivers do is it
I agree, but he still overtook off the circuit and should have relinquished the position because Rosberg didn't do anything wrong...
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Old Jul 24, 2012 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus
Originally Posted by s2k_Nut' timestamp='1343140829' post='21884857
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Anyone remember how Hamilton passed Rosberg at Bahrain???
That was different, Hamilton was 'pushed' to the outer track by Rosberg, Hamilton had no choice but to go off the track or crash. Of course he could have never attempted the move at all, but that is not what racing drivers do is it
I agree, but he still overtook off the circuit and should have relinquished the position because Rosberg didn't do anything wrong...
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Not different. The FIA even issued a statement prior to this race about that. Because "a significant part of" Hamiltons car was alongside Rosberg when Rosberg ran him out of road Hamilton was in the right, and Rosberg should have left room. However a couple of laps later when Alonso had a similar thing with Rosberg, no part of Alonso's car was alongside Rosberg, therefore Rosberg was OK to shut him out, and Alonso should have backed off.
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Old Jul 24, 2012 | 10:56 AM
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Just to add fuel to the current fire, it seems that there was a briefing pre Silverstone:

'Formula 1 drivers were warned specifically about increased scrutiny on anyone gaining an advantage by leaving the track, before Sebastian Vettel's controversial move on Jenson Button at the German Grand Prix.'

So pouty-lips can't say he wasn't warned.
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Old Jul 24, 2012 | 11:06 AM
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It was cheating plain and simple he had run off track in that spot the previous 4/5 laps in anticipation of making the move, he should have got a warning from race control but didn't, so thought he would chance his arm and paid the price,
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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 04:31 AM
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Was Hamilton told to relinquish his position to Rosberg in Bahrain? I cant remember but I dont think he was told to. So he passed off the track and if you look at the video, Vettel did have part of his car alongside button during the exit.

Just like Hamilton did with Rosberg in Bahrain. Now like I said I cannot remember if Hamilton had to give the position back and if he did then just ignore this little piece and it proves that the stewards are remaining consistent. BUT if he didn't Vettel made the same damn move, just coming out of a turn.

I think Red Bull is doing it right because the old saying goes "your not doing it right unless you have haters".
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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 05:17 AM
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Read Chilled's reply 3 posts up for an explanation of why Hamilton wasn't penalised for his move on Rosberg.
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 05:11 AM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18986375

Governing body the FIA found that Red Bull's engine was delivering less torque at full throttle in the mid-range of the engine's rev band in Germany than it had at the preceding British Grand Prix.

They said this was a breach of article 5.5.3 of the technical regulations, which states that the "maximum accelerator travel position must correspond to an engine torque demand equal to or greater than the maximum engine torque at the measured engine speed".

But while the FIA intended it to mean that the engine could not deliver less torque than it was ultimately capable of, Red Bull interpreted it to mean it could not deliver less than it was programmed to deliver on that day.

As teams are allowed to change their engine maps from race to race, Red Bull were cleared because there was no definition of how big these changes could be before they were not allowed.
Red Bull's interepretation is kind of dubious, but equally you'd have to say the FIA could have easily dictated that maps weren't allowed to change through the year, or put limits on the amounts that they change (as they've now done), if that was the intent of the rule.
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 05:47 AM
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The problem is that f1 designers are paid to be cunning bastards and can be slipperier than a greasy weasel.
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Old Jul 28, 2012 | 09:32 AM
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Red Bull are at it again, they are fast getting a reputation for being a bunch of cheating c units.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19032217

Monster pace for Hamilton today in qualifying, hopefully the McLarens will be able to carry this form into the race tomorrow.
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Old Jul 28, 2012 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LTB
Red Bull are at it again, they are fast getting a reputation for being a bunch of cheating c units.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/19032217

Monster pace for Hamilton today in qualifying, hopefully the McLarens will be able to carry this form into the race tomorrow.


Gary Anderson BBC F1's technical analyst on the latest row involving Red Bull "I haven't seen the device Red Bull are said to have had that could have allowed them to manually adjust the ride-height, but what is being talked about is a very unusual thing.

"The front suspension is very complicated, with rockers, torsion bars, upright adjusters, side dampers, anti-roll bar and a third spring that stops the car touching the ground.

"Because of that, to adjust the ride-height teams usually just adjust the push-rod, as it allows you to leave the geometry alone. So inboard on the chassis is a very strange place to put a ride-height adjuster.

"What it might have been is an adjuster for the bump rubbers, which define when the car will hit the ground.

"It's important because aerodynamic performance is defined by the front ride-height, but you have to run it higher in qualifying than is ideal for ultimate qualifying performance because of the 150kg of fuel you need for the race. If you could adjust the ride-height between qualifying and race, it could give you an advantage in the region of 0.3 seconds a lap in qualifying."

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