Of course if they start running out of fuel or tyres at the end, then that'll look pretty silly.

I think Red Bull now have to have another round of trying to assure Webber he is equal within the team, which isn't going to be easy given what's happened. It's not like they're going to "punish" Vettel in any way. From his point of view he gets to be in the best car, which he's not going to get anywhere else, but if he's not allowed to win in that car when he's in the lead, then there's little point. If this blows up too much I can see Webber walking away "by mutual consent" before the season is out.

 

Which Sky no longer broadcast? I noticed it( he proper press conference) being played on one of the background monitors, whilst some old has been was trotting out his racing driver excuses
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F1 did the broadcast, not Sky, and have replaced it with the podium interviews.

What you saw in the background was the open press conference, not the closed single interviewer thing we used to get.

The open interviews have always taken place and have never been televised.

 

Looks like laughing boy has come clean about how he totally disregarded team orders .

“I got the call and I ignored it. Mark and I are used to fighting each other when we're close, but with the tyres how they are now, and not knowing how long they will last, it was an extremely big risk to ignore the call to stay second. We could have ended up finishing eighth or ninth after destroying the tyres in those two laps; I put myself above a team decision, which was wrong. I didn't mean to and I apologise,”

Of course this is what he said earlier...

"I messed up today, I apologise for that but right now I want to say the truth. I wasn't aware of it [the team orders] otherwise I wouldn't take that much risk to pass someone I'm not supposed to pass at that moment,”

Imo his apology is worth sweet FA, well done Mark for not sinking to his level

Source
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/189226/...am_orders.html

 

Its a race and only one thing matters - Winning.

Yea Vets a little weasel but he's winning... what else matters?

This is gonna be one brilliant season if this keeps up. I look forard to Webbers retaliation, lets see what a number two can do. Webber is only exiting when he's annoyed anyway

 

Vettel does seem to be becoming more and more like Schumacher. Enormously successful, but despised by everybody.

Of course if Senna had ignored team orders and overtaken his teammate anyway, everybody would have loved him for it.

 

He's German...and the Germans have form here....

 

Yep, he's officially becoming the 'bad guy' now.


This will to win above all else, unable to see wrong from right and only focus on winning is something Senna had, Schumi etc. Am I right in thinking that before the death of Senna he was also disliked by many people? It was his death that made him a hero and respected for his ruthless tactics?

I don't agree or disagree what he did was wrong or right, I don't care really. I understand he wants to win and that's it. A low blow yes. He did apologise which genuine or not doesn't make any difference as he's still the winner. Perhaps he genuinely thinks he's been a tit but in the heat of the moment you don't think about that, you think "im having this". Isn't that what makes you a winner? I can see why people are going to hate him now.

What about Kimi ruining the last few flying laps in qualifying at Suzuka last year? "I don't care about the others" Selfish? or focused on his own selfish need to win, above all?

 

Yep, he's officially becoming the 'bad guy' now.


This will to win above all else, unable to see wrong from right and only focus on winning is something Senna had, Schumi etc. Am I right in thinking that before the death of Senna he was also disliked by many people? It was his death that made him a hero and respected for his ruthless tactics?

I don't agree or disagree what he did was wrong or right, I don't care really. I understand he wants to win and that's it. A low blow yes. He did apologise which genuine or not doesn't make any difference as he's still the winner. Perhaps he genuinely thinks he's been a tit but in the heat of the moment you don't think about that, you think "im having this". Isn't that what makes you a winner? I can see why people are going to hate him now.

What about Kimi ruining the last few flying laps in qualifying at Suzuka last year? "I don't care about the others" Selfish? or focused on his own selfish need to win, above all?
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Vettel is a cheat. We've seen this before, not only to Webber, but the time when he pretty much ran button off the track at the start of 2011 Japanese GP. Button asked him what happened and Vettel replied 'Oh, I didn't see you' to which Button responded 'So that's how it is now!'. Thus, watching the replay, you see Vettel turn his head to look at the mirror and react to Button.

Talent or not, he's full of sh1t but at least that was to another team so that's sort of understandable I suppose.

However Turkey 2010, unless you were watching without eyes, you will see Vettel drive into Webber and then try and do it again after they'd spun.

FF to today and as they enter the final phase, Webber is >4 seconds ahead and has obviously received the 'turn it down, bring it home command'. Being a responsible employee, he does exactly this. Bang! Vettel turns the engine up and smashes his new tyres to close the gap. His medium compounds fully upto temp, he has a go at Webber who successfully defends. Infact it wasn't until Webber could have EASILY AND FAIRLY closed the door on Seb at the exit of turn 6 IIRC, that he thought better of it and submitted to the potential throwing away of 43 constructor points.

As such, I very much hope Seb's engine blows up and the team then remind him of following team orders for the long game.

 

Webber flipping Vettel the bird today

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbb3tYcyRvw[/media]

Ron, you sig is amazing! However is there any chance you could change it for a more 'safe for work' one?! However give me one second to save a copy of it first, damn!

 

I think with that he just responded 'that's racing' and Button coyly responded 'so that's how we're racing now is it?'

Vettel is ruthless with overtaking and defending, but if the stewards do nothing and he keeps racking up championships then how can you argue he's in the wrong. Sometimes he pays for sailing that close to the wind like in Monza last year, but the simple fact is you either drive on the edge and pickup points or you are conservative and become and also ran.

To be fair I strongly suspect the team wanted to order Webber to let him pass, the team would get the same 43 points, and those extra 7 are more useful to the driver with the most chance of being in the championship fight at the end of season, which Vettel has shown form for on the last 4 years. But Webber isn't there to be a number two driver, wouldn't take that order any way so they told him to turn down and surprise surprise Vettel is straight on him, past him and away.

The team then makes the show that he's disobeyed orders, he gives an apology he doesn't mean and Webber is left with a choice. Be in a team that gives the appearance of support, with the best car, or sulk away and join a midfield or bottom rung team.

Today was a face saving exercise. Webber doesn't look like he capitulated, Redbull look like they treated their drivers fair, and Vettel looks a bit the bad guy, but when he's collecting number four probably won't honestly care.

Hamilton and Rosberg was completely different. Rosberg may have had enough fuel to take Hamilton but not Webber. Hamilton had only used more fuel in taking the fight to the Redbulls as instructed and if they'd started racing each other maybe neither would finish. The team had nothing to gain from swapping them round other than reducing Hamiltons potential championship finishing position because in all honesty, he's going to come out ahead of Rosberg over the season, maybe not by miles like some thought, but ahead. The team had a secure 3rd and 4th, sent Hamilton on to challenge for higher up then brought them in convoy when that didn't pan out