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Old May 30, 2014 | 01:15 AM
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I totally agreee Monaco is anachronistic in the F1 calendar, it's kept there as a society event more than for the racing - they could ditch it and I wouldn't miss it (but that's never going to happen)
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Old May 30, 2014 | 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by j8mie
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He did psyche himself up a bit for Monaco (with the help of media interviews adding fuel) and probabaly saw it as his best opportunity to get pole and a win. I love that he's pissed off at losing and not a corporate automaton spooling out empty congratulations. He's also probabaly moved on by now and looking towards the next race and we are the only ones dragging it on
From past performance in Canada I predict a monster margin over Nico save for any dodgy pit stops and conflicting tyre strategies, and him lapping every car save for Nico and any Redbulls that manage to not break down
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This is what I'm hoping for. Lewis clearly has the edge in driving talent on Nico, but for whatever reason he rattled Lewis at MOnaco which nearly cost him a 2nd place. I suspect Lewis had a very different plan for this year, and a DNF in Australia was not part of it.

Monaco is a freak of a track that under modern safety regulations would never be allowed now if someone suggested it. It's the only race of the year I hope we don't get on the BBC. Roll on Canada
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I agree that Monaco is an anachronism, but it is a race I enjoy watching - this year being a case in point, with close racing (including overtaking) and incidents from start to finish. Nowhere else to you get such an impression of the speed of the cars and the skill of the drivers - I watch inboard footage from most circuits and sometimes think that driving an F1 car on the limit doesnt look so difficult.....then I watch some footage from Monaco and think

It is also a circuit which punishes mistakes...which is the way it should be imho.....modern tracks are way too forgiving.
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Old May 30, 2014 | 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PhilipGB
From past performance in Canada I predict a monster margin over Nico save for any dodgy pit stops and conflicting tyre strategies, and him lapping every car save for Nico and any Redbulls that manage to not break down
Yes I think he'll blitz Canada.

Looking at this season though it's clear the rule changes have gone too far and I don't see how they can mend the performance deficit other than leaving it to balance itself in the coming years.
Have to disagree there. Is the advantage of Mercedes this year much greater than Vettel had in the second half of last year?

I generally enjoy Monaco for the reasons Ian says, though I think there may be a good case for saying it should be shortened a bit more.
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Old May 30, 2014 | 03:48 AM
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I agree that most modern F1 tracks are far too forgiving, and there is too much hard standing run off. I suspect in an effort to prevent only 9 cars finishing every race. But I disagree about Monaco. There is only one decent overtaking place coming out of the tunnel, and this generally makes for some of the most boring "follow my leader" races. I couldn't see Riccardo getting past Hamilton in the closing stages as you can't overtake. To win the Monaco grand prix, start from pole and baring any mechanical issues you should be fine.
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Old May 30, 2014 | 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
Have to disagree there. Is the advantage of Mercedes this year much greater than Vettel had in the second half of last year?
I don't really feel like pulling the numbers but yes

The last 2 races were the kindest to the performance deficit. Canada is going to be something else entirely.

I think Singapore is probably the only hope for some competition this year, and Hamilton is fairly handy round there as well.
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Old May 30, 2014 | 07:31 AM
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I remember watching Brawn run away with the first 5 races or so but their advantage was reduced by 5 or 6 races in... this is different however the Merc engine and package seems vastly superior. Canada is a straight line speed circuit, the fastest cars will dominate ... still can be a wrecker of a circuit though, even an engine wrecker quite often, not to mention the 'champions wall' .. nothing should be taken for granted here.
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Old May 30, 2014 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by s2k_Nut
I remember watching Brawn run away with the first 5 races or so but their advantage was reduced by 5 or 6 races in... this is different however the Merc engine and package seems vastly superior. Canada is a straight line speed circuit, the fastest cars will dominate ... still can be a wrecker of a circuit though, even an engine wrecker quite often, not to mention the 'champions wall' .. nothing should be taken for granted here.
And even on those races other teams snook a couple of poles and a win. The performance gap was also within sniffing distance of the teams.

I think Mercedes could effectively freeze development this year and get going on next years car and still walk it.

It's funny looking at pictures of Jenson from back then. He looks like a tank compared with now

I'm proposing a rule change. Any cars which lap other points scoring cars must pull into parc ferme before the last lap, then the drivers must run it
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Old Jun 7, 2014 | 08:41 AM
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anybody else notice how much Kvyat looks like butthead ?? hu hu uhh uhh hu hu
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Old Jun 7, 2014 | 10:29 AM
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Go Nico!
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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 01:19 AM
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What was the petulant one's excuse for coming second this time?

Should be plenty of action between them on this track
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