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Old Oct 5, 2014 | 12:59 PM
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I reckon it was decided not to show it as it probably looked horrific !
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Old Oct 5, 2014 | 01:23 PM
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I've always been on edge after a 'Safety Car' deployment, as it has always resulted in a mad rush to service the cars (change tyres and add/reduce front wing etc..) or to push as hard as possible to close gaps.
For this reason, the first couple of laps after a safety car deployment can result in increased risk for the drivers (and marshals), until everyone has closed up to the car in front and is traveling at 'Safety Car Speed'.

Speeds are monitored during safety car periods, however it's still seen as an opportunity for back-markers to push to close the field.

In this instance the waved yellows, and the safety car dash warning should have been enough to warn all drivers to reduce speed.

Incredibly tragic incident which seemed to have been missed by BBC commentators, but given the crazy rush in pit lane and the huge gaps throughout the field, this sort of incident was forseeable.
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Old Oct 5, 2014 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ianl
I disagree however that it was a freak / fluke that Bianchi had essentially the same accident as Suti though - it is a fast downhill left-hander, and there was a significant amount of water on the track - one car having aquaplaned into an accident, it is no surprise for a second car to have the same accident, it often happens in racing when the rain really comes down.
Except that anyone following Sutil's accident would have had the benefit of waved double yellows to warn them. Unfortunately racing drivers will also be just that and as it says on each ticket - it's dangerous!
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Old Oct 5, 2014 | 02:03 PM
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Double grief for F1 today. Andrea de Cesaris dies in motorcycle accident ....

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/29501069
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Old Oct 5, 2014 | 02:44 PM
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http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com...e-head-injury/
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Old Oct 5, 2014 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by andy2000
Double grief for F1 today. Andrea de Cesaris dies in motorcycle accident ....

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/29501069
Shame

I had a pee sandwiched between Andrea and Nelson Piquet at A Silvestone test-day when Andrea was driving for Jordan.
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Old Oct 5, 2014 | 11:42 PM
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Obviously we don't know the cause of bianchi's accident but

Double waved yellows = slow down and be prepared to stop,

if there was that much water on track at that point how come no others went off ( after syrup ?
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Old Oct 6, 2014 | 12:35 AM
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No one seems to have footage of the crash.

Where was Bianchi in the tyre cycle? Worn inters would be more prone to aquaplaning than newer tyres as there would be less tread depth.

Sutil said that Bianchi crashed in the same way as he did, except that there were double waved yellows after Sutils crash so Bianchi should have been going more slowly.

Would the reduction in downforce from driving more slowly increase the likelihood of aquaplaning?
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Old Oct 6, 2014 | 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenmanS2000
Obviously we don't know the cause of bianchi's accident but

Double waved yellows = slow down and be prepared to stop,

if there was that much water on track at that point how come no others went off ( after syrup ?
Certainly the Marussia is not very good and is tough to drive at the best of times, which won't have helped.

Ericsson managed to leave the circuit behind the safety car a the start of the race, don't forget.

Massa (in a not good in the wet Williams) had apparently been on the radio for a few laps calling for a safety car and at the same time, the Mercedes and Red Bull cars were largely unaffected (so far as I could tell).

DRS had been disabled too.
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Old Oct 6, 2014 | 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by lower
No one seems to have footage of the crash.

Where was Bianchi in the tyre cycle? Worn inters would be more prone to aquaplaning than newer tyres as there would be less tread depth.

Sutil said that Bianchi crashed in the same way as he did, except that there were double waved yellows after Sutils crash so Bianchi should have been going more slowly.

Would the reduction in downforce from driving more slowly increase the likelihood of aquaplaning?
Agree with all of above....the other factor is that it was absolutely p!ssing down, and in the ~4 mins (I am guessing) between the 2 cars going off, I suspect the amount of surface water on the road increased dramatically.

It is easy to say with 20/20 hindsight, but I think the safely car should have been deployed immediately after Sutil's accident.
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