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Old Nov 18, 2022 | 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by arsie
JFDI Jason and stop moaning
Fear of the Qashqai is stopping me, you know how long it took me to land on this thing
Stealthy escapes for early dog walks are prob appreciated by my neighbours too
@chris111 could flog the yellow CTR to solve this conundrum I saw one listed at £70k

How much is the FL5? It's £40k ish right?

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Old Nov 19, 2022 | 12:50 AM
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Have you considered Subaru? AWD; boxer engine; some turbo. Lots of stealth options if you reach back. The Impreza WRX isn't all they did.
Maintenance challenges of course. Trouble is the only real substitute for a Qashqai is ..... another Qashqai.
I think your window to get out of the 'e' without taking a £hit must be limited.

Me I will stick it out until the Go tariff goes .
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Old Nov 19, 2022 | 08:47 AM
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I believe Octo subsidise Go, hence the rapid escalation and my reluctance to time shift
if Europe had balls they would dismantle Nord stream to end the farce


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Old Nov 19, 2022 | 02:40 PM
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Maybe they do that is their business but the low rate is aimed to get folks to time shift. The difference between your histo of consumption and mine if adopted by tens of millions could really make a difference I believe. The main graphs of network consumption that drive the generators having to have huge amounts of power capacity online to keep us in our 24 hour consumption patterns must be seen to be believed. Majority of the power capacity is there to support the 4-7pm peak hours load. Shift. JFDI.
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Old Nov 19, 2022 | 11:25 PM
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We agree, there is just no incentive to do it
if the gov rolled out a 2kw battery, grid controlled, they could decommission gas or 80% of it I imagine and it could be done for the money they are throwing at people in a grant. Utter feckless cocks.
But a 2kw batt would not change my usage and so would just cost me money net. Go daytime is a 30%+ premium over what I pay and go cheap is about 30% of what I pay so I would need to shift a fair bit of my 12-14kwh to make it £zero. My 14kwh battery calc shows the long payback
then add in opportunity cost and it's futile on that 7yrs calc
I can make 10% pa on investments average, med term, have done this over the last 15 years or so I have run my own pension
So £7k now isYear 1 7.7k
8.47
9.3k
10.25
11.27
12.4
13.6 - at this point I am returning 1360 a year to cover electricity bills

another 5 years and my usage is covered fully from the initial investment, nothing to break or wear out
Without solar it's too risky that octo pull the plug on me and I don't trust the gov to get it right, not at all
So it's the right thing to do, completely, but it's not the right thing to do for me




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Old Nov 20, 2022 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by arsie
Maybe they do that is their business but the low rate is aimed to get folks to time shift. The difference between your histo of consumption and mine if adopted by tens of millions could really make a difference I believe. The main graphs of network consumption that drive the generators having to have huge amounts of power capacity online to keep us in our 24 hour consumption patterns must be seen to be believed. Majority of the power capacity is there to support the 4-7pm peak hours load. Shift. JFDI.
The electrical supply network is designed to cater for some 15% of peak power above the average dayload. The 4-7 pm peak is minuscule in the whole scheme of things, remember a lot of the leccy is used by industry to make cement, steel and fertiliser (note to gov ban cement steel and fertiliser plants in the UK).
That said, smartmeters were meant to use nudge to move people to use leccy when it was cheaper. Where did it go wrong? Purchasing, regulations, 3G data capabilities?
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Old Nov 20, 2022 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tjockhult
The electrical supply network is designed to cater for some 15% of peak power above the average dayload. The 4-7 pm peak is minuscule in the whole scheme of things, remember a lot of the leccy is used by industry to make cement, steel and fertiliser (note to gov ban cement steel and fertiliser plants in the UK).
That said, smartmeters were meant to use nudge to move people to use leccy when it was cheaper. Where did it go wrong? Purchasing, regulations, 3G data capabilities?
Can you define 'miniscule'? The market has changed lots. 30 years back we had some manufacturing industry. Also many more millions brewed a cuppa for Coronation Street.

And how much / what steel do we still make in the UK? Any?
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Old Nov 21, 2022 | 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by arsie
Can you define 'miniscule'? The market has changed lots. 30 years back we had some manufacturing industry. Also many more millions brewed a cuppa for Coronation Street.

And how much / what steel do we still make in the UK? Any?
That is my understanding too, I was digging around to find stats but I would have thought our demand peak would be 4-7, they certainly talk about it a lot.. 30m households with a powerful oven
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Old Nov 21, 2022 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Nottm_S2
That is my understanding too, I was digging around to find stats but I would have thought our demand peak would be 4-7, they certainly talk about it a lot.. 30m households with a powerful oven
I was also digging around for data for a few minutes. Your https://grid.iamkate.com/ seems to indicate a bit of a peak price somewhat higher than the morning peak yesterday but that was a Sunday
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Old Nov 21, 2022 | 07:53 AM
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Following that link it looks like very roughly at 25GW from 00:00 to 06:00 then at circa 40GW the rest of the day. Dunno if that was a Sunday but notwithstanding the 4-7pm peak / myth that is one hell of a difference and I can see why they want us to time shift consumption to the wee small hours. If we could manage collectively to make the low 30-35GW and peak 35GW that would be 12.5% less capacity needed to have available standing by idle i.e. not 40GW but 35GW.
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