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Old Feb 17, 2005 | 06:51 AM
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This will go down as one for the business class book as a lesson in how NOT To run a negotiation from EITHER side!

I think this reflects so poorly for union workforces, and really shows something needs to be done about them!

If I was paying union dues to a mob boss (oops union leader) and all of a sudden my "leader" came back and reported oh by the way they shut down the plant!
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly' date='Feb 16 2005, 05:32 PM
I think Ottawa would make it...

Carolina, Buffalo, Atlanta, Nashville, Florida and Pittsburgh would be the most likely to go IMO... It'd be sad to see Buffalo and Pittsburgh go.
I dunno about Ottawa... they have been living hand to mouth for several years now. The showing last year against the Leafs brought them some much needed revenue but a year of no hockey?... they'd better come back with a good year... if they can come back.

None of those are 'smaller market Canadian teams' So in effect you're agreeing with me?
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by mikes2k' date='Feb 17 2005, 07:51 AM
This will go down as one for the business class book as a lesson in how NOT To run a negotiation from EITHER side!

I think this reflects so poorly for union workforces, and really shows something needs to be done about them!

If I was paying union dues to a mob boss (oops union leader) and all of a sudden my "leader" came back and reported oh by the way they shut down the plant!
It's called "Boulwareism" and is already a frowned upon (if not illegal) method of contract settlement.
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by NikePenguin' date='Feb 16 2005, 07:50 PM
Los Tiburones are a big draw in Silicon Valley in spite of higher and higher ticket prices.
The fans don't know doodly about the game though. Given a year away from the game management will have to do some fancy marketting to get the fan base up again.
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jedwards' date='Feb 17 2005, 10:56 AM
It's called "Boulwareism" and is already a frowned upon (if not illegal) method of contract settlement.
Interesting Thank you for enlightening me ...I Googlized it not much came up but I did find one good read
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 07:23 AM
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You are most welcome. Those Labour Econ courses have paid off finally.
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jedwards' date='Feb 17 2005, 10:54 AM
I dunno about Ottawa... they have been living hand to mouth for several years now. The showing last year against the Leafs brought them some much needed revenue but a year of no hockey?... they'd better come back with a good year... if they can come back.

None of those are 'smaller market Canadian teams' So in effect you're agreeing with me?
The Canadian small markets will handle this much better than the non-traditional (southern US) markets, where hockey never was much more than a passing fancy. So, yes, I'm agreeing with you (except on Ottawa - which would have benefited significantly from the 24% rollback).

Of course, it ultimately will be deteremined by the deal that gets agreed upon. If it's a deal that heavily favors the owners and has some component of revenue sharing, I think all 30 will get by. If revenue sharing isn't there, the non-traditional markets will not make it. Buffalo and Ottawa are probably the two wild cards.
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 10:03 AM
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I just reread what I originally posted. I'd still fear losing a couple Canadian teams, but I don't think they're the most likely to fold.
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 10:36 AM
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Now we're completely in sych.

True that Ottawa and prob Buffalo would benefit by the 24%. Didn't think of that... Wonder if there will be anything like that in the final settlement. I think it was predicated on a shorter season.
Old Feb 17, 2005 | 10:38 AM
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I heard this morning that the city of San Jose thinks it will lose 1.4 million bucks because of the NHL shutdown. I don't believe that entirely because people won't put that money in their banks... they'll find some other way to spend, but I wonder what the impact will be across the continent?

IF it's believed to be so high there may be a lot pressure from the cities on the owners to fold.



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