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Originally Posted by TepEvan,Nov 6 2007, 05:35 PM
There's very little "benefit" to HD/BR. Between VHS and DVD, the DVDs could be more quickly mass-produced and are an overall cheaper medium (for the manufacturer). That's likely the reason you don't see the big "push" to moving to HD/BR. Plus, I am pretty sure a very small sample of the population has HD tvs, so it costs the consumers quite a bit more to "upgrade" to HD/BR instead of just going out and buying a DVD player for your SD tv.
I agree that there is little to no benefit from the point of view of a consumer with a non-HD TV and that may be slowing the adoption of both BR and HDDVD. I think to judge the adoption potential of either BR or HDDVD without considering the market for HD capable TV's is too narrow a view.
As Skip said, there are more people out there with TV's capable of displaying at least 720p than you think. I think too that as you see the prices drop on 1080p sets drop (you can have a 42" Westy LCD for just a pinch over 1K now) you'll see the adoption rate increase.
I really don't think we're looking at another LaseDisc here.
With that said, I'm pissed at Paramount because (being in the BR camp) their move prolonged this battle between the formats. I realize the cost of the hardware has to go down on the BR side before we'll see it settled (I'm still relying on my PS3 for next-gen movies and haven't as yet purchased a stand-alone player), but I think given that there's no quality difference between the two formats (picture or sound), I still have to root for the format that can store more data.
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Originally Posted by 1AP12NV,Nov 19 2007, 10:12 AM
... but I think given that there's no quality difference between the two formats (picture or sound), I still have to root for the format that can store more data.
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Originally Posted by FF2Skip,Nov 19 2007, 03:21 PM
But there are most definitely differences in the players themselves. I find the PS3 not that good as a BD player when compared to my Toshiba A1- a first-gen player(HD-DVD).
Perhaps I should clarify:
I meant that there is no difference in the quality between the formats if all things are equal. If the quality of the sound and picture going in are equal, there is no difference between the quality of sound or picture comming out of BR vs HDDVD.
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Note: The only reason I haven't bought a dedicated player yet is I want to see the outcome of the format battle before investing in dedicated hardware (I hate using consoles as movie players but I wanted a PS3 anyway).
When I go to buy a nex-gen movie I buy in BR if available and if not I get it in DVD (and my DVD player upscales to 1080p so all is good).
That way if BR goes the way of the DoDo I only have a few movies to replace and not some hardware too
When I go to buy a nex-gen movie I buy in BR if available and if not I get it in DVD (and my DVD player upscales to 1080p so all is good).
That way if BR goes the way of the DoDo I only have a few movies to replace and not some hardware too
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Originally Posted by 1AP12NV,Nov 19 2007, 10:12 AM
Yeah I can't agree with that Evan. The jump between watching a 480p DVD and watching BR/HD in 1080p is huge (I skipped 720p).
I agree that there is little to no benefit from the point of view of a consumer with a non-HD TV and that may be slowing the adoption of both BR and HDDVD. I think to judge the adoption potential of either BR or HDDVD without considering the market for HD capable TV's is too narrow a view.
As Skip said, there are more people out there with TV's capable of displaying at least 720p than you think. I think too that as you see the prices drop on 1080p sets drop (you can have a 42" Westy LCD for just a pinch over 1K now) you'll see the adoption rate increase.
I really don't think we're looking at another LaseDisc here.
With that said, I'm pissed at Paramount because (being in the BR camp) their move prolonged this battle between the formats. I realize the cost of the hardware has to go down on the BR side before we'll see it settled (I'm still relying on my PS3 for next-gen movies and haven't as yet purchased a stand-alone player), but I think given that there's no quality difference between the two formats (picture or sound), I still have to root for the format that can store more data.
I agree that there is little to no benefit from the point of view of a consumer with a non-HD TV and that may be slowing the adoption of both BR and HDDVD. I think to judge the adoption potential of either BR or HDDVD without considering the market for HD capable TV's is too narrow a view.
As Skip said, there are more people out there with TV's capable of displaying at least 720p than you think. I think too that as you see the prices drop on 1080p sets drop (you can have a 42" Westy LCD for just a pinch over 1K now) you'll see the adoption rate increase.
I really don't think we're looking at another LaseDisc here.
With that said, I'm pissed at Paramount because (being in the BR camp) their move prolonged this battle between the formats. I realize the cost of the hardware has to go down on the BR side before we'll see it settled (I'm still relying on my PS3 for next-gen movies and haven't as yet purchased a stand-alone player), but I think given that there's no quality difference between the two formats (picture or sound), I still have to root for the format that can store more data.
