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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MyBad,Jan 20 2005, 07:02 PM
Why don't you leave the country? Seriously.

Personally I'm glad that I can live the fabulous lifestyle I do AND am able to give so much. I think that's super!

Unfortunately you have only two choices here to find happiness if, in deed, you're even looking for it. You can either leave this country for one where you can live in an ivory tower, or change your attitude towards helping people in need.

The choice is yours, bud.


I'm very pleased that I work for a company that matched my donation to UNICEF.

Part of the reason I enjoy foreign travel so much is that it helps you appreciate the how good we have it here in the U.S.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MyBad,Jan 20 2005, 09:02 PM
Why don't you leave the country? Seriously.

Personally I'm glad that I can live the fabulous lifestyle I do AND am able to give so much. I think that's super!

Unfortunately you have only two choices here to find happiness if, in deed, you're even looking for it. You can either leave this country for one where you can live in an ivory tower, or change your attitude towards helping people in need.

The choice is yours, bud.
Did you read anything that I wrote or do you always talk out your ass.

We give more than any country in the world. You say it's not enough

The us public freely donates more than our goverment about 200% more approximate. You say it's not enough

Face it we give enough and I've given you plenty of proof of that.

Your the one complaining that we don't give enough.

I give my fair share. Do you give as much as me,just in taxes alone? Not even counting my donations. Should we count them up? Does it matter. Did you donate your own personal time to under privlaged youths in baltimore city schools?

I never said don't give. I just said the fed and state goverments makes me give enough. Around 10k a year.

I love this country, your the one that make it out like the US gov. doesn't care, when I've shown the opposite.

I help people in need enough. grow up bud
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 05:30 PM
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Why don't you leave the country, you hate bush and the war.

You sound like you hate our goverment.

You sound like you hate our leaders.

I just said I would like to have control over where the moeny goes and that It was more than enough. Tithe is 10% which is ~ how much of my money is going to charity via the goverment.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 05:40 PM
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Unicef has been a subject of much fraud.

The red cross promised that 100% of WTC donations would go to help, it flip-flopped.

Another reason why I don't like donating to any organization I don't know. My church is good enough

An Enormous Fraud

Unfortunately, UNICEF, and its whole carefully crafted benevolent image, is an enormous fraud. What little of the organization's aid actually gets to the destitute victims it claims to champion is dwarfed by that lost to waste, corruption, mismanagement, and misdirection; and any good achieved is vastly overshadowed by the organization's long-standing, shameful collaboration with the governments of the most brutal regimes in history.

Take Somalia, for example. In a September 14, 1993 article entitled, "UN's relief agencies put paperwork before people," Chicago Tribune reporter R.C. Longworth wrote:

UNICEF ... is supposed to look after children in the Third World, especially in devastated countries like Somalia .... But UNICEF, by general consensus, has blown it in Somalia. So has every other UN agency sent to help this nation survive and recover ....
In Mogadishu, the capital, the agencies take over the best villas -- UNICEF has three -- at rents of up to $5,000 a month. There the staffs live and work behind guarded walls, cut off from the steamy cities around them. It all adds up to a tower of red tape and good intentions from which the UN people look down, uncomprehending, on the alien society around them.

Meanwhile, most of the hard work in the field is done by private non-UN charities such as CARE, Concern, Save the Children Fund, Catholic Relief Services and others.

Among those interviewed by Longworth was Mark Mullan, a former UNICEF officer in the Somali city of Baidoa and an outspoken critic of the record of the UN agencies. In one case cited by Mullan, UNICEF hired a Somali man to oversee the digging of hundreds of wells:
"Contracts were let, mostly to his relatives, and people were paid," he said, "but these wells just don't exist. I asked Mogadishu [UNICEF] to investigate this and they sent out the same guy, this Somali, who signed the reports in the first place."
... Mullan said he knows of no UNICEF senior officer who has ever spent a night outside Mogadishu. "They work in air-conditioned offices and live in air-conditioned villas and, apart from trips to the beach, that's the sum total of their experience in Somalia."
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by exceltoexcel,Jan 20 2005, 05:41 PM
2003 development aid alone

1 United States $15.8 billion
2 Japan $8.9 billion
3 France $7.3 billion
4 Germany $6.7 billion
5 United Kingdom $6.2 billion
6 Netherlands $4.1 billion
7 Canada $2.2 billion
8 Sweden $2.1 billion
9 Norway $2.0 billion
10 Spain $2.0 billion
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Thanks for finding/providing the numbers...really...although you seem angry for some reason. Anyways, being a proud Canadian it is nice to see that on a per capita basis (I think the USA has 10 times our population) we are doing a pretty good job (I'll let you do the math). Thanks again.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 06:31 PM
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Per capita you are doing way better. I don't have all the canadian numbers. I found more but not enough. As a % of GNP your doing better as well as a % of taxes and of course raw numbers we're doing better. What's better a better per person # the raw # the percentage of GNP the % of taxes collected? I don't know, I think that in the end. It doesn't matter. The US gives it's share as well as Canada.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 06:39 PM
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I forgot to point out only 18% of our taxes went toward the military (2003) while 31% went towards helping people. I'm not counting the 37% that went towards a failing Social Security system,medicare and govm. sponcered retirement plans.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by exceltoexcel,Jan 20 2005, 06:41 PM
1 United States $15.8 billion
2 Japan $8.9 billion
3 France $7.3 billion
4 Germany $6.7 billion
5 United Kingdom $6.2 billion
6 Netherlands $4.1 billion
7 Canada $2.2 billion
8 Sweden $2.1 billion
9 Norway $2.0 billion
10 Spain $2.0 billion
Of course, you have to remember that Canada has roughly 1/10th the population of the USA. So, looking at how much the USA gave per capita, they're actually not nearly so high. Canada is giving $2.2B for roughly 30M people ($73/person) while the USA is giving $15.8B per 290M people ($55/person). That's nearly a 50% difference!

I just looked up some populations and the list comes out like this:

USA - $55/person
Canada - $73/person
Japan - $71/person
France - $119/person
Germany - $79/person
UK - $105/person
Netherlands - $248/person
Sweden - $228/person
Norway - $435/person

Spain - $50/person

So, you'll see that some "tiny" countries are kicking our butt in terms of giving in comparison to their population. Notice how much the Netherlands, Sweden, and Norway are giving. Now THAT is giving.

Overall totals are nice, but when you break it down to compare country sizes, it really brings out who is and is not the most generous.

I'm not bagging on any country - I think it's great that they all give. I'm just saying that because the USA gives the most doesn't really mean it's giving as much as it could (or even as much as others give, comparatively). I'm Canadian, so I'll say that neither does Canada, just so no one thinks I'm biased.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 07:39 AM
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Actually that's not the whole picture anyway that just for development aid.

The US gave a total of 38.7 billion (FY2003) or 113.44 per person

i can't find the total numbers for any other country.
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Old Jan 21, 2005 | 07:42 AM
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Oh yeah it's good to note that we have a lower tax rate then most of these countries so the US doesn't collect as much as these from it's citizens and since we are larger we need to invest more in our infrastructure. Norway doesn't have the miles of roads nor the number of airports etc. that we have.

Somewhere there's a island of 1 that gave $500, it isn't the same. All the countries that are the most per person have the least people and high rates of taxes.

Lets look at countries near our size. Russia & China, hum don't see them on the list.

After it's all added up Canadas per capita contributions are probably less or near the per capita of the US.
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