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Old Oct 12, 2002 | 05:05 PM
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Old Oct 12, 2002 | 05:11 PM
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I want to thank SteveUCI for starting this thread. I'm glad it was brought up. The only thing is those pictures that wantone posted slows down my 56k. Oh well.
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Old Oct 12, 2002 | 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by DarioManfretti


I looked at your profile and notice you were born shortly before the "original" Woodstock. What is it about your generation that you don't seem to remember Vietnam? My generation fought in that war (not me thank God). We grew up questioning authority because our politcal leaders lied to us. Remember Watergate and Tricky Dick? The war protesters were correct then and they may be correct now. Only time will tell.
What is it about your generation that makes you think that smoking dope and holding up signs with catchy phrases misspelled on them will make a difference?

Speaking for myself, I was too young to remember Vietnam.

I don't think you can fairly compare the current situation with Iraq to the former situation with Vietnam unless you are comparing the relative cluelessness of the protestors' understanding of what they're protesting against. I was in college during the Gulf War and most of the people protesting then saw it as a way to feel morally superior by simply blocking traffic at the post office and chanting "No Blood For Oil." It was also a good way to break the ice with the good-looking, patchouli-scented hippie chicks.

How many of these people have actually tried to prove they're being lied to and aren't just making assumptions because there's a Republican in the Oval Office? Where were they four years ago when they were definitely being lied to?

I think you will find some argument regarding the correctness of the Vietnam protestors. Do you think Jane Fonda was doing the right thing when she posed for a picture on an AA gun pointed at U.S. planes?

Oh yeah. It takes guts to put a sticker on your S (actually, any sticker), but don't be surprised if one of those peaceniks try to take it off when you're not looking. Then we'll here about this incident here.
It's magnetic-- I can take it off when I park near campus.
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Old Oct 12, 2002 | 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by DarioManfretti


I looked at your profile and notice you were born shortly before the "original" Woodstock. What is it about your generation that you don't seem to remember Vietnam? My generation fought in that war (not me thank God). We grew up questioning authority because our politcal leaders lied to us. Remember Watergate and Tricky Dick? The war protesters were correct then and they may be correct now. Only time will tell.
Oh yeah. It takes guts to put a sticker on your S (actually, any sticker), but don't be surprised if one of those peaceniks try to take it off when you're not looking. Then we'll here about this incident here.

What our generation doesnt remember about Vietnam is that we had a government planning the stragegy of the war. This makes for a war that you will never win. A war can only be won if it is run by the military.
I have read journals from my father who sat behind an M60 in the door of a helicopter for 4 years in Vietnam while protesters got high and pissed and moaned about how bad war was. War is BAD. War is not pretty....but sometimes war is necessary. Whether we shouldve been in Vietnam or not will be determined by the individual you ask, but how we fought the war was a sin. For THAT you can thank tricky dick.
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Old Oct 12, 2002 | 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by wdavis



What our generation doesnt remember about Vietnam is that we had a government planning the stragegy of the war. This makes for a war that you will never win. A war can only be won if it is run by the military.
I have read journals from my father who sat behind an M60 in the door of a helicopter for 4 years in Vietnam while protesters got high and pissed and moaned about how bad war was. War is BAD. War is not pretty....but sometimes war is necessary. Whether we shouldve been in Vietnam or not will be determined by the individual you ask, but how we fought the war was a sin. For THAT you can thank tricky dick.
thats another problem of this country, everthing gets so political its hard for the military to do their job effectively. war is ugly, theres no way around it. however, most politicians want us to buy into the fallacy that we can accomplish our goals with only the bad guys dying. its hard enough to fight an unconventional foe, but coupled with anti-war sentiments it makes a war go from hard, to that much harder to win.
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Old Oct 12, 2002 | 06:47 PM
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thats another problem of this country, everthing gets so political its hard for the military to do their job effectively.
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Old Oct 13, 2002 | 03:12 AM
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I don't believe Iraq is trying to gain nuclear weapons, I think they already have them but its just not being disclosed.

The arab world may never like the US but they need us. Sure, they can cut off the oil for a while, but that's all they got so they have to sell it and order out.

Nobody wants war, but we can't sit and do nothing. Why should we lose our freedoms and become a police state because of these kind of people?
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Old Oct 13, 2002 | 05:35 AM
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Its important to remimber that only radical muslims have declared war on non-muslims. There are many peaceful muslims living throughout the world who are equally concerned about the situation.

The issue of Saddam isn't religious. Its an issue of a power greedy madman who hates anyone who gets in his way, including his own family members. He has proven hundreds of times that he will stop at nothing to eliminate his enemies. The Iraq issue shouldn't be confused with the Al-Queda issue, although there is evidence that Saddam supports Al-Queda terrorists.

Dario, yes, the Iraq issue is different than contemporary conflicts but its highly doubtful that other the Arab states will risk losing their power and standing in the world by siding with Sadam. Thus far, all have remained neutral or have agreed to allow the US to use their military bases. They fear Sadam as much as anyone.

Saddam's regime will end through war or other means. That's a given at this point. Yes, thare are many questions about what will happen after his regime, but there is one thing for sure. The people of Iraq will be much better off!
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Old Oct 13, 2002 | 03:54 PM
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Why is Bush so adamant about going to war with Iraq? To start off, I think he's running on vendetta juice since his father failed, and he doesn't want to be considered a failure. Another is he needs stability in the area. Both his family as well as the bin Laden family both have large investments in the Carlyle group, which have a focus in that area.

There is no outside enemy here, the only enemy is our own ignorance. Steve was brave enough to open his mind up to what's going on in the world.

It's sad for Bush to both take advantage of ignorant and fearful Americans as well as his contradicting propensity to "protect" this country. Nothing will come of this war, except more bloodshed and elevated US presence in a region rife with hate for this country and its sanctions that starve off the innocent and keep dictators in power.

Focus on the economy, the schools, something positive, fuking fuk, seriously...
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Old Oct 13, 2002 | 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by wantone
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Damn, Sally Yoshino is freakin hot....
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