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Microsoft being sued?

Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:06 AM
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[QUOTE=exceltoexcel,Dec 7 2005, 10:52 AM] Yes they were and I helped my roommate with his homework all the time and laughed my ass off with his programming classes, he got his masters.
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jasonw,Dec 7 2005, 10:56 AM
U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit also holds that Microsoft is a monopoly and has behaved anticompetitively -- that, in fact, it violated the Sherman Antitrust Act. For the most part, the court upheld Jackson's findings of fact, which recounted in voluminous detail how Microsoft abused its control of the market for operating systems to gain market share for its Internet Explorer Web browser, at the expense of Netscape Navigator. To some legal observers, the court's findings of liability on various monopoly power abuse issues constitute a huge defeat for Microsoft, one that may require the software company to appeal immediately to the Supreme Court.

Specifically, the appellate court agreed with the Department of Justice prosecutors and Judge Jackson that Microsoft had abused its monopoly power by forcing computer hardware makers (OEMs) into signing licenses that restricted their rights to preinstall Netscape Navigator, by integrating I.E. into the Windows operating system in such a way as to make it more difficult for Netscape to compete ("commingling" browser code and operating system code, and failing to provide an option to remove Internet Explorer), and by engaging in deals with Internet service providers and other Internet content companies that gave preference to Internet Explorer.

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/06/...crosoft_appeal/
Yea that case was BS. I guess it would be wrong for honda to install honda radios.
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by exceltoexcel,Dec 7 2005, 11:02 AM
I'll expand on that. In the beginning they built/stole a small petri-dish, no one else stepped up to build one better. Since no other petri dish worked as well people bought and bought and they became THE petri-dish. Then they became the largest petri-dish, maybe through a few questionable ethics but also because no one else made a better one. Now they are the biggest petri-dish because they are so good/popular.
Let's not confuse outlook and exchange systems with an OS that can run on everything from a cellphone to a 280.6 TFlop supercomputer(5 miles from my house!) to the www.linuxjournal.com/article.php%3Fsid%3D7570+mars+rover+linux&hl=en]mars rovers[/URL]...
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Gink5,Dec 7 2005, 11:08 AM
Yea that case was BS. I guess it would be wrong for honda to install honda radios.
Too bad you weren't their lawyer. I'm sure you could have saved them $3/4B with that argument.
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:15 AM
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Without a doubt, those courses would be great for someone that doesn't have a clue about such things, even me, I don't dabble too much in that area of things but you'll find in real life the problems are much more complex then what you are learning now. DON'T TAKE WHAT I'M SAYING THE WRONG WAY. Dude you're learning some good shit, and you probably didn't have a rack full of servers at home to play with when you were a kid so you're getting something you never could've at home. So this will open the door for you, but when you walk through the door you better get ready to learn a lot more and you better not say " I don't know how to do that?" and figure it out. Keep up the good work if you love this stuff you'll be good at it if you're good at it you'll be successful. People who are good at what they do are rarely ever out of work and almost always make tons of $$
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jasonw,Dec 7 2005, 02:11 PM
Too bad you weren't their lawyer. I'm sure you could have saved them $3/4B with that argument.
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by jasonw,Dec 7 2005, 11:11 AM
Too bad you weren't their lawyer. I'm sure you could have saved them $3/4B with that argument.
Come on, im just being realistic, can you blame MS. I mean OJ did get off.
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:25 AM
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[QUOTE=exceltoexcel,Dec 7 2005, 11:15 AM] Without a doubt, those courses would be great for someone that doesn't have a clue about such things, even me, I don't dabble too much in that area of things but you'll find in real life the problems are much more complex then what you are learning now.
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by no_really,Dec 6 2005, 07:20 PM
There are patches released for *nix products almost daily.
Yes, which is one reason why they are more secure. Instead of pretending that the code is perfect, people fix it before the problems get exploited.

The vast majority of Windows problems come from the stupid decision to make the web broswer and email cliet part of the operating system. That was the key to driving Netscape out od business, but it gave eberybody in the world who could write html or send an email direct access to your OS. Idiotic.

When you couple that with the fact that many more clueless users use Windows than Unix, you have made a system which is more vulnerable to hacking and more vulnerable to attacks based on user ignorance and social conditioning.

Any OS can be defeated by its own sysadmin, and in the PC world we are all our own sysadmins.
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Dec 7 2005, 11:27 AM

The vast majority of Windows problems come from the stupid decision to make the web broswer and email cliet part of the operating system. That was the key to driving Netscape out od business, but it gave eberybody in the world who could write html or send an email direct access to your OS. Idiotic.
i wouldnt call them idiotic just yet. Give it a couple years. Maybe im reading into this too much, but if you look at the progression of computers more specifically game consoles, you will see a rapid progression towards the internet. Having said that, i can see a day where something like game consoles will be the only computer needed for personal use. The OS or atleast system files will be protected by the server monitoring the console. Basically, xbox live. As far as viruses and hackablity, the xbox is the hardest to break into or hack without changing the hardware.
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