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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by RAIN H8R
looks good to me. So now that w have everything confirmed as what it should be, are you certain you had them installed correctly the first time?
I provided the shop with exactly the same information, and they followed the picture to install the keys. I guess only time will tell. Stay tuned for the update on Thursday!

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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 11:40 AM
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 08:56 PM
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^^^Micheal should have stuck with that face and quit wile he was ahead RIP brotha
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Old Dec 21, 2011 | 03:02 AM
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^^^Micheal should have stuck with that face and quit wile he was ahead RIP brotha
haha, yeah why do you think all my avatars are from the early 80s or older haha. I love all of his music, but unfortunately a missing childhood will ruin a person eventually.
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Old Dec 21, 2011 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by s2000Junky' timestamp='1324447001' post='21252850
^^^Micheal should have stuck with that face and quit wile he was ahead RIP brotha
haha, yeah why do you think all my avatars are from the early 80s or older haha. I love all of his music, but unfortunately a missing childhood will ruin a person eventually.
Yeah, sad deal really. I always liked his earlier stuff.
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Old Dec 21, 2011 | 06:07 PM
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The change of minus two degrees intake and no change in the exhaust resulted in 17 ft lbs and 33 rwhp
(ex 0) (in -2)
biggest top end change was seen with minus two degrees intake and plus one degree exhaust. It resulted in an additional 19 ft lbs torque and 25 rwhp
(ex +1) (in -2)
please set it up the way sideways ran the test not
(ex +2) (in -1)
the huge increase came from the (in -2)
the reduced overlap comes from the (ex +1)

Simple Rule of thumb:
Advancing cam timing yields more mid-low range torque
Retarding came timing yields more top-end horsepower
also the picture is correct but you want to use the 2 degree key for the intake and the 1 degree key for exhaust
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Old Dec 21, 2011 | 06:54 PM
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sidewaysThe change of minus two degrees intake and no change in the exhaust resulted in 17 ft lbs and 33 rwhp(ex 0) (in -2) biggest top end change was seen with minus two degrees intake and plus one degree exhaust. It resulted in an additional 19 ft lbs torque and 25 rwhp(ex +1) (in -2) please set it up the way sideways ran the test not(ex +2) (in -1) the huge increase came from the (in -2)the reduced overlap comes from the (ex +1)Simple Rule of thumb:Advancing cam timing yields more mid-low range torqueRetarding came timing yields more top-end horsepoweralso the picture is correct but you want to use the 2 degree key for the intake and the 1 degree key for exhaust
The reduced overlap comes from both cams movement. Retarding the intake will increase overlap just like advancing the exhaust.
The "rules of thumb" wash out with boost.


Sung, The degree number imprint is on the left to advance and on the right to retard.
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Old Dec 21, 2011 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by S2SEXY
sideways
The change of minus two degrees intake and no change in the exhaust resulted in 17 ft lbs and 33 rwhp
(ex 0) (in -2)
biggest top end change was seen with minus two degrees intake and plus one degree exhaust. It resulted in an additional 19 ft lbs torque and 25 rwhp
(ex +1) (in -2)
please set it up the way sideways ran the test not
(ex +2) (in -1)
the huge increase came from the (in -2)
the reduced overlap comes from the (ex +1)

Simple Rule of thumb:
Advancing cam timing yields more mid-low range torque
Retarding came timing yields more top-end horsepower
also the picture is correct but you want to use the 2 degree key for the intake and the 1 degree key for exhaust
This is what sideways told me awhile ago:

Sent 31 August 2011 - 09:13 AM
Sung,

Cam timing will add some torque (and thus power) for sure.

One degree retard on the intake and two degrees advance on the exhaust is what I suggest. You could also go two degrees retard on the intake and one degree advance on the exhaust.

Both settings use the same offset Woodruff keys and in my experience give the same results. The net result in using this combo is 3 cam (6 crank) degrees less overlap.

Retarding the intake allows the boost to build slightly prior to the valve opening. Advancing the exhaust makes the exhaust open sooner to help get the exhaust gases out initially.

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Old Dec 21, 2011 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Sideways
Originally Posted by S2SEXY' timestamp='1324523246' post='21255320
sidewaysThe change of minus two degrees intake and no change in the exhaust resulted in 17 ft lbs and 33 rwhp(ex 0) (in -2) biggest top end change was seen with minus two degrees intake and plus one degree exhaust. It resulted in an additional 19 ft lbs torque and 25 rwhp(ex +1) (in -2) please set it up the way sideways ran the test not(ex +2) (in -1) the huge increase came from the (in -2)the reduced overlap comes from the (ex +1)Simple Rule of thumb:Advancing cam timing yields more mid-low range torqueRetarding came timing yields more top-end horsepoweralso the picture is correct but you want to use the 2 degree key for the intake and the 1 degree key for exhaust
The reduced overlap comes from both cams movement. Retarding the intake will increase overlap just like advancing the exhaust.
The "rules of thumb" wash out with boost.


Sung, The degree number imprint is on the left to advance and on the right to retard.
So, in essence, this picture summarizes everything:

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